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Creating a VPN to stream ALL my TiVo Roamio channels away from home

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jeffrypennock, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. jeffrypennock

    jeffrypennock New Member

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    I have TWC in NYC which ABSURDLY sets the copyright setting on all the non-OTA channels such that I can stream at home but can't stream outside the house. Comcast and other providers don't do it. On a different thread here, someone suggested that you could set up a VPN to replicate your in-home streaming iOS experience when you're out-of-home (OOH). I want to do this! I started researching if I could/how to go about this and realized...I have no clue how and know less about this topic than I thought I did.

    Here's what I have:
    TWC (television and premium internet)
    Arris DG860A wifi modem router from TWC
    TiVo Roamio Plus (connected via ethernet to the Arris)
    iPad & iPhone running latest iOS and latest TiVo app

    Is this something I can do with the equipment that I have? Does my router support a VPN (is that even a relevant question? I logged in to the configuration interface for my modem and I didn't see an obvious "VPN" tab where I could configure this but maybe I missed it)? There are so many high-lever users and experts on here, I am hopeful someone will please tell me how to do this or refer me to instructional articles that would teach me how. (Because the resources I was finding online were all either irrelevant or made sense/got me no closer to my goal.)

    I think this is a much more appealing offer than getting a Sling (I've burned through too many of those flawed devices over the years) if this is something I can make work for me.
     
  2. telemark

    telemark New Member

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    What's your Internet Bandwidth (Up/Down)?
    Do you still have the SlingBox?
     
  3. jeffrypennock

    jeffrypennock New Member

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    I don't have a sling box here in NYC, no.
    My download is 31Mbps and my upload is 6Mbps.
     
  4. telemark

    telemark New Member

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    Upstream is usable, but I figure most people would prefer a Slingbox because it avoids a VPN.

    This thread has some technical details.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=492571

    After starting to write out directions, I don't feel this is for the faint of heart, because it could break anytime Tivo updates the app, and then you'd have to know some networking to figure out what's wrong.

    Three methods to VPN from IOS when you're out and about.
    1) Built in support, like so: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1288
    2) 3rd party software that require jailbreaking
    3) External wifi hardware (hotspots, laptops, smart phones in connection sharing mode)
     
  5. jeffrypennock

    jeffrypennock New Member

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    You're right, this really isn't for the faint of heart. I've used a VPN as an end user for years. I had no idea the creation/administration of one would be so hard. How is there not a VPN out of the box from Apple or some other clever retailer?
     
  6. HDRyder9

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    I support a lot of customers where VPN is a necessity. For ease of use and economy, I use Cisco RV042 routers with built in VPN support. If you can use PPTP protocol it's as easy as adding a PPTP user with a password and a remote Windows device or iOS device will log in.

    For full time VPN connections, I like to use a RV042 router on each end. Essentially, you are on the same subnet and Tivo won't even notice it's not a local connection.
     
  7. DavidDeLano

    DavidDeLano New Member

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    I know this is a really old post, but it seems on the track of what I'm attempting to do. I have two Cisco RV130s VPN connected but I can't get the ends to be the same subnet. Any help?
     
  8. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    FWIW, I use Asus routers on each end and they have OpenVPN built into them so I just set the one where the host TiVo is as the server and then use the other one that's distant and away from "home base" setup to be the client. This way they see each other easily.

    My speed isn't fast enough for it to stream from the separate tivos, but they do see each other as if they're on the same local LAN and I can transfer shows between them.

    Go to smallnetbuilder.com for a bunch of different scenarios.
     
  9. HDRyder9

    HDRyder9 Member

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    What and where is your DHCP server?
     
  10. DavidDeLano

    DavidDeLano New Member

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    Thanks to both of you for responding. I've been out in the weeds trying to get this to work and hitting way too many dead ends, even though some people say they have it working. I keyed in on this thread, since it mentions Cisco routers for the VPN, though a different model than I have (though looking at the specs, mine just appear to be newer versions).

    The Cisco router on each end provides DHCP for it's own subnet. Currently I have 192.168.0.0 on one end and 192.168.1.0 on the other end. I can see all the devices across the VPN, but broadcast messages are of course not crossing the subnets.

    I had them both on 192.168.0.0 for a while, making sure the IP addresses didn't overlap, but I could not see any devices on the other end when I did that.

    Behind each router is a Netgear router in AP mode to provide WiFi access. Adding that detail in case a router function on the Netgear happens to be a useful solution.

    Are you suggesting I just use one end for DHCP and routing?? What happens when VPN goes down? I have tenants in the vacation home that would be upset if the network goes down.

    I have 50M on one end and 100M on the other, though the upload speeds on both ends are around 20M. I don't think bandwidth would be an issue, and downloading instead of streaming is an option. If I get this to work, one end will need a new TiVo or a Stream for the other end to see it.
     
  11. DavidDeLano

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    Thanks for the smallnetbuilder reference. I haven't found anything to solve my problem yet, but there is info here that I hadn't encountered in all my google searches.

    It appears I need a bridge and that my current configuration is only allowing a tunnel, and I don't know how to get from one to the other......

    David
     
  12. DavidDeLano

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    Another thought.....with the VPN in place, is it possible to manually configure a device on one end, the TiVo in this case, to be on the other network??
     
  13. kdmorse

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    Yes.

    You can also automatically configure it with a dhcp reservation (assuming you run a DHCP server that allows you to lie. linux dhcpd is fine. I never could get windows to assign an out of scope dhcp address).

    You can also put a bridge filter on the vpn so that only the Tivo's traffic is bridged. And if you do it right, you can get it to just get it's IP address via DHCP off the remote network.

    In both cases, the downside is that all the oddly configured tivo's internet traffic will flow over the VPN and out the other site to the internet. Not an issue for daily calls. But can be problematic for Netflix.

    There are ways around this of course, depending on how creative you want to get.

    (And to answer your earlier question, a VPN that can run in Bridge mode is pretty much a requirement. It can be router to router. It can be a passive bridge between a device on each network. And while OpenVPN is not the only possibility, it is generally the weapon of choice.)
     
  14. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Thanks for jumping in here and saving me! It was starting to get over my head. I actually forgot most of what I learned since setting my Asus point to point OpenVPN up months ago, haha! :)
     
  15. DavidDeLano

    DavidDeLano New Member

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    Now I'm getting more questions than answers!

    How do I create a bridge instead of a tunnel?? And, I'm trying to do this with my Cisco RV130's. I don't have OpenVPN running. If I need to run another device, I can, but I'm trying to avoid that - I have enough running already!

    I don't think the DHCP will allow me to lie and allocate an IP that would be on the other side. What I meant was, can I configure the TiVo itself to have an IP that is on the other side? I think I've tried that, but failed to connect, but I've tried so many different things I can no longer remember.

    And what does this mean: "There are ways around this of course, depending on how creative you want to get." I can get creative, but I have to know how/what to do.

    David
     
  16. DavidDeLano

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    Confirmed...the DHCP on this end only allows me to allocate within this subnet. What happens if I put the MAC in at the other end? But then, how do I get the TiVo to use the other DHCP server?
     
  17. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Just get a couple cheaper Asus routers that have OpenVPN built in or flash update it with Merlin for more options and then be done with it, I say! :)
     
  18. DavidDeLano

    DavidDeLano New Member

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    I have no qualms about adding standalone boxes to fix the problem. I just don't want to have to have a dedicated computer running 24/7 on each end. What ASUS models should I be looking at? And would I still configure the VPN with the Cisco boxes, or would they just step back and become routers only?

    David
     
  19. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I have an RT-AC56U at each end and they work fine, but you can get any at this level or above to do the job. I hear the best to look for are the ones with the dual core processors. I use mine separate from my main router, an AC66U. No need to use the Cisco one anymore.

    You can also see if your existing Cisco ones support being flashed by something called the Tomato firmware, which you should be able to run OpenVPN on as well.
     
  20. DavidDeLano

    DavidDeLano New Member

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    I could actually replace the Netgear routers that I'm using as WiFi APs if I found ASUS WiFi routers with OpenVPN built in. Or....any chance that a Netgear can be updated with OpenVPN. I've not tried flashing a router, but that could be an option.

    David
     

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