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Crack for copy protection?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jauburn, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. jauburn

    jauburn New Member

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    I want to get some Charlie Rose shows from my Series 3 to a hard drive or something where I can show my kids on my PC. How do I do that? This Series 3 downgrade really sucks.
     
  2. Dssturbo1

    Dssturbo1 New Member

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    get a capture card for your pc and run svideo into it from the S3. or run the svideo into a dvd recorder and make a dvd to show on your computer to your kids.
     
  3. rodalpho

    rodalpho New Member

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    Talk of breaking tivo's DRM is against the rules here, I suggest we let the thread die.
     
  4. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    rodalpho--I understand your warning, and 100% agree. But it seems to me the only thing being discussed here is ways to get really crappy resolution video out of an S3, using totally legitimate methods. And no one has talked about violating any DRM protections.
     
  5. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

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    Except for the title of the thread...
     
  6. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    No kidding- when I first read it what crossed my mind was the image of the MPAA offering people cocaine in exchange for not copying dvds.

    But I am curious if the copy flags are set on charlie rose (you can't do a DVD record without a Sima GoDVD or SCC2), or if that is only for premium channels like HBO.
     
  7. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Potato and pen.

    Last thing I heard, any OTA broadcasts can NOT (legally) be flagged for "no record" and I thought that'd include not being flagged for "no copying".
     
  8. Shawn95GT

    Shawn95GT Tivo, in HD!

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    I'd try piping the the composite output to a capture card or a digital camcorder if you have one :). I've done it and got a nice anamorphic SD picture from a HD recording.
     
  9. sommerfeld

    sommerfeld Lucky (?) 200 member

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    Or DVD recorder, for that matter. Three cheers for the analog "hole" ...
     
  10. sommerfeld

    sommerfeld Lucky (?) 200 member

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    Given how easily various DRM systems fall to pieces, I thought it was what they giving to the people tasked with designing DRM!

    Suddenly, the root cause of the whole Sony CD "rootkit" fiasco becomes clearer.... :)
     
  11. ewilts

    ewilts Who, me?

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    Legally, you don't. You do not have the rights to redistribute the shows. Invite your kids over to watch them.

    http://www.charlierose.com/

    Order the DVDs: http://www.amazon.com/b/002-5250960-3997614?ie=UTF8&node=194172011

    or the transcripts: http://orders.voxant.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=11

    You can also watch them on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=owner:Charlie_Rose&so=1
    The link to this is on the Charlie Rose website so I am hoping that it means they were legally put on to Google Video.

    .../Ed
     
  12. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Oops. My bad :rolleyes:
     
  13. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    BTW- a long time ago I theorized there would be an HD hole too, because you could simply display the video on an HD screen and in a darkenned room make an HD camcorder video of that. Seemed pretty obvious / too good to be true.

    Well, it is not so easy- at least not with my hd camcorder you can't do it. I used my Sony small hd camcorder (forget the model number, but it is the one selling in BestBuy now). What I saw from my Hitachi 42 inch HDTV (also forget the model number but it is a plasma screen they sold 3 years ago at Sears), was a yellow orangish color band rolling up on the screen.
     
  14. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Technically, that's digital>analog>digital, so it's not really an HD hole.
     
  15. rodalpho

    rodalpho New Member

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    I doubt we're going to see a digital hole any time soon for cable. HD-DVD and blu-ray are another matter entirely.

    As far as recording HD goes, we're only constrained by the speed of today's CPUs. They aren't fast enough to compress HD video in realtime. But they will be, soon enough, and when that happens mythtv and MCE will work right away, and shortly thereafter they'll release ASICs to compress HD in hardware and we'll be back where we were with series2s. Total compatibility through the analog hole, and nothing the cable companies can do about it.
     
  16. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    Woah! I just noticed that they seem to have made all the eps free to watch. Previously, they'd only have the previous night's episode for free and all the old ones only had a short free preview. You had to pay $0.99 to watch an old ep in its entirety via Google Video. I guess they changed their mind.
     
  17. Justin Thyme

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    My HD camcorder seems to be encoding HD in real time just fine.

    Also- I don't see how we get analog out anymore. Seems to me all the component cables are sending downresed 480P and all hidef has to go out into the HDMI connector. Anyone know? If you play something that would be protected- like HBO HD out through component, is it downrezed?

    Not that I don't think this will be hacked in multiple places. All I'm saying is I don't think that is where the obstacles or openings are.

    My favorite would be to monitor the impulses going out to fire the LCD or plasma pixels, and digitize that. More than likely I will be able to get my library copy of the HD DVDs and shows some much more easy way. I think I'll hold off dusting off my erector set for now.
     
  18. Maeglin

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    I've got a component video hookup here, running 1080i Hybrid (since my TV can't handle 720p). Between the menus and SD content, my TV changes resolutions. Between the menus and HD content, it doesn't, even with premium channels. That's a rather clear indicator to me.

    Blu-ray and HD-DVD players will down-res everything analog coming out of them, if a certain flag is set on the discs to do that. Most of the major studios have said they wont be setting that flag, but I'll believe that when I see it.
     
  19. Justin Thyme

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    Thank you. I am confused because I thought the cableco's also had a requirement for Hosts to obey such a derez flag. Does anyone know if the flag exists/ and is contractually required? I like good news, but I am thinking of the possibility that the explanation here could be that the S3's just aren't responding to them because the Head End's aren't sending them.
     
  20. gbrown

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    Again, this is just digital>analog>digital. But the quality is good.
    Several years ago, I bought a Canopus ADVC-100 in order to burn the family VHS tapes to DVD (In the 80s, my sister paid to have the 8mm copied to VHS). The device takes the S-Video out from the Series3 and converts it to a high quality digital signal that is output via Firewire.

    Since I'm a Mac user, I than feed that into "iMovie HD" to make a high quality video. I then feed that into Toast to burn a DVD. I don't use iDVD because they force those hokey menus on me. (BTW- I bought Toast 8 in the hope that us Mac users will eventually get TiVoToGo for the Series 3).

    A couple of "gotchas".
    1) It takes a LONG time to do this. My average is 5:1. For every hour of finished product, it takes 5 hours of prep, converting formats, and burning. {Thank to Sunday NFL and NASCAR, I muddle through it).

    2) Audio encoding is not preserved. There is no easy way to get the encoded Dolby encoded to the DVD. Hmmm, will AppleTV do it? ANyway you end up with PCM audio.
     

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