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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Stormspace, Jun 25, 2010.
Added Wisconsin and Maryland
Oregon Frontier FiOS was recently made worse, now all are protected except locals.
Frontier also recently announced a 50% rate increase. They seem to want out of the cable business. So it sure would be nice to hear from Portland Comcast people to confirm that nothing but premiums are protected.
Added Comcast policy update:
An anonymous report indicates that due to Comcast corporate policy, the playboy channel will be regarded as pay per view and carry the 0x03 CCI byte.
0x03 - Copy Never - the content can be recorded and viewed for 90 minutes after transmission, and is not transferrable. Content disappears from the Now Playing list after 90 minutes.
Yeah, that's ridiculous. IIRC Playboy is a pay-by-the-month channel, not PPV. I thought that FCC regulations explicitly prohibited 0x03 on those kinds of channels.
But I just typed the words free porn into teh Google and it said "About 204,000,000 results (0.14 seconds)". So perhaps there are alternatives.
I'll take your word for it. Seriously I've only gotten one report and while I tend to believe the reporter, I haven't gotten any third party confirmation.
Comcast in Beaverton/Hillsboro, Oregon appears to still only be protecting the "premium" channels.
Ok, Got it.
I'm going to post an RFC on a petition about this. I'm in Oregon and very unhappy.
Don't bother. Odds are very high that Frontier wants to get out of the TV business entirely by the end of this year. More discussion in AVS Forum local thread:
Also lots of discussion in TiVo Community:
We have RCN in metro DC and have never had problems until recently the NBA League Pass seems to have a code that it has to be watched within 90 minutes.
Cox in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
All clear except the HBO, Cinemax, and Showtime groups.
Added Oklahoma and Washington State. Don't know exactly which channels in Washington are affected, but will update it when I find out.
Charter Gwinnett County Digital,
BBCA, Encore Westerns, Starz
I'm just gonna run some tests and record a whole bunch of stuff on various channels to see what else is blocked.
Added. Let us know what else you might find.
K I mistakenly put Starz when it should have been Showtime Showcase.
Also add TMC.
I've got more recording on various channels so I'll post when they are done.
Wha does this mean. What are they doing?
Sounds like they are restricting the recordings to copy once, or copy no more. Which means that the TiVo can record them, but transferring to another TiVo or to a PC is prohibited. Unfortunately the FCC gave the cable companies the right to do this on their own without any direction from the studios.
Well add all of encore to that list. I wonder if they are doing it to just ticks to get people to use their boxes that will allow multi room viewing .
I live in Tucson, AZ. Same deal as PHX w/ Cox. I don't really care anymore. Every video regardless how it's flagged is always possible to copy via the "Copy to VCR" option since this already went to court (well copying stuff to a "Video Recording Device").
Only reason why the CCI is occasionally used is cuz cable companies clearly want to encourage you to get their HSI service and obtain these things via torrents that are available everywhere and w/o commercials... this is the reason... they just have no idea this is the reason... yet...
In all seriousness once some cable co. tries to take some to court by bypassing the CCI flag... the court will rule that the CCI flag's purpose is not to prevent people from playing recorded content on other devices but to inform the user that the content is copyrighted and should not be distributed outside the home. If a user decides not to distribute the video anyway, then the cable company may contact the FBI and fine them.
Are you referring to the Sony Betamax case? I thought that involved recording a television transmission for later viewing and not duplicating a recording of a television transmission.
In Tivo's MRV case, we are duplicating a recording, not simply recording the television transmission.
The CCI byte is a huge pain for many.