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Copy Protection Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Stormspace, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Jun 28, 2010 #21 of 129
    hmm52

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    Verizon FiOS - SE PA
    All channels - CCI:0X00
    Cablecards - CopyProtectionKey: Disabled

    When will the returns be in for Verizon/Frontier FiOS states besides WA & OR?
     
  2. Jun 30, 2010 #22 of 129
    Stormspace

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    Looks like we have 13 states reporting. Any others?
     
  3. Jun 30, 2010 #23 of 129
    rlcarr

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    Are you sure about that? When I had to go through my channel list deselecting all the shopping channels, spanish channels, etc. after they all got re-selected when I had to re-run Guided Setup after the RCN lineup change, I could have sworn there were are a couple of RCN Premiere channels (i.e. not premium channels) that had a CCI of 0x02 (and that I got a grey screen on because my CableCARD isn't paired). I'll have to re-check that....
     
  4. Jul 1, 2010 #24 of 129
    qz3fwd

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    Premium only, everything else is copy freely and I hope it stays this way for a long time.
     
  5. Jul 1, 2010 #25 of 129
    mattack

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    Bay Area, CA Comcast.. premium only (HBO).. except what I mentioned above -- at least some LOCAL channels seem to have the Macrovision part set, but not the main copy protection set.

    So I wonder if I can somehow tell Comcast about this. Can the digital channels just have the Macrovision part set, or is this possibly my hard drive/DVD recorder misinterpreting something? (Seems unlikely since it's several shows, just on ABC.)

    Also, this seems to me like it violates the "can't set copy protection on local channels".
     
  6. Jul 2, 2010 #26 of 129
    alyssa

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    Time Warner out of Maine with service to NH too, so Maine & Northern NH.

    All copy protected except locals.
     
  7. Jul 2, 2010 #27 of 129
    MichaelK

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    yes the CCI Byte has multiple settings. It can also enable macrovision on analog outputs.

    You wont see 0x01, 0x02, or 0x03, but rather some other value.
     
  8. Jul 2, 2010 #28 of 129
    mattack

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    Oh, you mean I can check this on my recording? How do I check it?

    and again, this seems to violate the 'no copy protection on broadcast-originating networks' idea.
     
  9. Jul 2, 2010 #29 of 129
    innocentfreak

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    Fios Tampa currently is in the clear, but expected to change eventually.

    Also it might be better if this was moved to the Coffee House or if possible made as a sticky in both series 3 and Premiere. Not sure if you can have one thread in both forums though.
     
  10. Jul 5, 2010 #30 of 129
    MichaelK

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    I'm not sure if the broadcast people are permited to add macrovision (analog flags) to be honest- never mattered to me so i haven't bothered to learn.

    to check the flags tune to the channels in question and then go into the tivo's diagnostic screens (someplace in the menus- sorry can't be more specific- dont have it in front of me).

    there's a value for CCI Byte. If it's anything other than 0x00 then there is some sort of flag applied.

    0x02 is only one digital copy - allowed on anything on thats not broadcast local. 0x03 is a time restricted copy that self destructs (in 90 minutes off the top of my head)- only allowed on ppv and vod.

    other values include macrovision flags, image constraint flags (meaning they degrade the picture on non digitally encrypted outputs- which i believe was only recently approved for ppv/vod of currently in theater movies). Also they can make any combination of the above flags with the byte. If you dig through the cable labs website you can find the exact rules with all the possible values
     
  11. Jul 5, 2010 #31 of 129
    StanSimmons

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    TWC Dallas, TX is locked up tight. They even had locals locked down at one point.
     
  12. Jul 5, 2010 #32 of 129
    Teeps

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    TWC Torrance, Ca.

    All flagged except locals.
     
  13. Jul 6, 2010 #33 of 129
    Stormspace

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    Maybe the only people reporting are those with a problem, but it's certainly not looking good. Seems like more cable companies are cping content than not.
     
  14. Jul 7, 2010 #34 of 129
    MichaelK

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    I think in general the only people aware enough to answer have had problems at one point in time or another.

    The rest probably just skip over the thread blissfully ignorant of what the title even means.

    still i think it has value to have a single thread with as much info as possible.
     
  15. Jul 12, 2010 #35 of 129
    Revolutionary

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    Stormspace: I think you should change the entry for FIOS SE PA to "NONE", not all. The poster actually said that all channels are set to 0x00, free and clear.

    Same here on FIOS Northern Virginia (join us, davezatz -- be freed from Cox! (man do I not like how that sounds...)), where only the pay-premiums are 0x02 (HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc) - everything else is 0x00. Interestingly, even the locks are not consistent. I've seen individual Starz movies on my S3 that were available for transfer, although most typically are not.
     
  16. Jul 12, 2010 #36 of 129
    Stormspace

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    Done. :)
     
  17. Jul 12, 2010 #37 of 129
    Martin Tupper

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    Hmm... I've got 0x00 on all of my HBO recordings via FIOS in Northern Virginia.
     
  18. Jul 12, 2010 #38 of 129
    Stormspace

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    I guess we need to make certain you are both on the same system. TWC here in SC has two offices I'm familiar with, one in the state capitol and another serving the northeastern part of the state. Could be others, but I don't know about those. Maybe your head office is in another part of the state?
     
  19. Jul 13, 2010 #39 of 129
    rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    FIOS NJ (Freehold/Basking Ridge) still all clear - for now.
     
  20. Aug 4, 2010 #40 of 129
    Stormspace

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    I was just looking at the FCC filings for the separable security waiver and see a lot of comments from users about the over zealous CCI Byte implementations that MSP's are doing. Maybe we'll get some action on this.
     

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