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Copy Protection Tracking Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Stormspace, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Jun 25, 2010 #1 of 129
    Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Thought I'd start a thread where we could go to check cable companies in various areas. I'll start and keep this post updated as others chime in.

    Copy Protection generally includes 0x02 which prevents transfer via MRV and TTG. The CCI Byte 0x02 is either on or off in the context of this thread. If you have any channels that prevent recording altogether, or your area is clear of any protection let us know that as well.

    Comcast
    0x03 - One report of Comcast applying 0x03 protection on the Playboy channel as they've apparently classed it as pay per view. According to the report, the decision to do this is a Comcast corporate policy.

    Time Warner Cable
    All reporting areas indicate that TWC is applying 0x02 to all channels except locals.

    Code:
    Cable System          0x00 0x02 0x03 0x04          Channels
    
    Code:
    Arizona
    Cox,  Phoenix               on                     All digital 
                                                        except locals
    Cox, Tuson                  on                     All digital 
                                                        except locals
    
    Code:
    California
    Comcast, Bay Area           on                     Premium Only
    TWC, Torrance               on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    Florida
    BHN,  Tampa                 on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    Georgia
    Comcast, Atlanta            on                     Premium Only
    Charter, Gwinnett           on                     BBCA, TMC, All Encore,
                                                        Showtime Showcase
    
    Code:
    Illinois
    Comcast, Naperville         on                     Premium Only
    
    Code:
    Kansas
    TWC, Kansas City            on                     All But Locals
    
    Code:
    Kentucky
    Insight Cable, Lexington    on                     All But Locals
    
    Code:
    Louisiana
    ??, New Orleans             on                     Some Premium
    
    Code:
    Maine
    TWC                         on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    Maryland
    Comcast, College Park       on                     Unknown
    
    Code:
    Massachusetts
    RCN, Boston                 on                     Premium Only
    
    Code:
    Michigan
    Detroit                     on                     Premium Only
    WideOpenWest, Detroit  on                          All
    
    Code:
    Missouri
    TWC, Kansas City            on                     All But Locals
    
    Code:
    New Hampshire
    TWC, Northern NH            on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    New Jersey
    Comcast, Central NJ         on                     Premium Only
    Verizon FIOS, Freehold
           /Basking Ridge  on                          All     
    
    Code:
    New York
    CV, Brookhaven              on                     All channels in the 
                                                        IO package and above
    TWC,NYC Brooklyn/Queens     on                     All but local
    
    Code:
    North Carolina
    TWC, Raleigh                on                     All but local
    
    Code:
    Oklahoma
    Cox, Tulsa                  on                     HBO, Cinemax, and 
                                                        Showtime groups
    
    Code:
    Ohio
    TWC, SW                     on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    Oregon
    Frontier FIOS               on                     All but locals
    Comcast, Beaverton          on                     Premium Only
    
    Code:
    Pennsylvania
    Verizon FiOS SE        on                          All
    
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    South Carolina
    TWC, Columbia               on                     All but locals
    
    Code:
    Tennessee
    Comcast, Nashville          on                     HBO, Starz, Cinemax
                           on                          All Others
    
    Code:
    Texas
    SuddenLink, Amarillo        on                     Premium Only
    TWC, Austin                 on                     All but locals
    TWC, Dallas                 on                     All but locals
    Comcast, Houston            on                     Premium only
    TWC, Waco/Killeen           on                     All but locals
    
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    Virginia
    Comcast, Alexandria         off                    All but HBO, MAX, SHO
    Cox, N. Va                  on                     All But Locals, 
                                                        one exception
    Verizon FiOS, N. Va.        on  	           Premium Only
    Verizon FiOS, N. Va.        off*                   All
    Verizon FiOS, Woodbridge    off*                   All
    
    Code:
    Washington, DC
    RCN                              on                0x03 On NBA League Pass
    
    Code:
    Washington
    Frontier, Redmond           on                     ???
    
    Code:
    Wisconsin
    TWC, Milwaukee              on                     All, Possibly 
                                                        Locals(Not Confirmed)
    

    *2 Conflicting reports - one from Woodbridge, the other an unknown location

    Other Codes
    0x00 - Copy Freely
    0x01 - Same as 0x02 on TiVo equipment
    0x03 - Copy Never - the content can be recorded and viewed for 90 minutes after transmission, and is not transferrable. Content disappears from the Now Playing list after 90 minutes.

    Additional CCI values put restrictions on both digital and analog content:

    0x04 - Content is Copy Once for digital output, but would have Macrovision 7 Day Unlimited restriction applied on the analog outputs. This affects content viewed either on an HDTV with component cabling or on a standard definition TV. It also affects content saved to VCR or DVD when the recorder is connected to an analog output on the TiVo box.
    0x07 - Content is Copy Never for digital content (deleted after 90 minutes) and Macrovision 7 day/24 hour for content recorded from analog channels. Content cannot be transferred via TiVoToGo transfers or MRV, and cannot be saved to VCR or DVD.
     
  2. Jun 25, 2010 #2 of 129
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    I'll play the game: TWC SW OH (Cincinnati and Dayton) is copy protected on all but locals.

    It would make more sense to just track the areas where TWC does NOT copy protect, if there are any.
     
  3. Jun 25, 2010 #3 of 129
    mmcgown

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    I think you're going to find that ALL TWC franchises do the same thing, because of a corporate decision made at TWC HQ.

    For what it's worth, I read this morning that while Verizon FIOS subscribers are still not "protected," the Verizon FIOS customers who were spun off to Frontier were immediately protected from themselves with the same scheme that TWC uses.
     
  4. Jun 25, 2010 #4 of 129
    djwilso

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    Cox Communications, Phoenix AZ, All digital except local broadcast set to CCI=2
     
  5. Jun 25, 2010 #5 of 129
    vurbano

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    Its so rampant Im afraid to post. The bad people will read it and protect me from myself. LoL
     
  6. Jun 25, 2010 #6 of 129
    davezatz

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    yeah, i have a feeling a large percent of digital TiVo subscribers are suffering as i am (Cox, Northern Virginia, locals are clear and one premium they overlooked)
     
  7. Jun 25, 2010 #7 of 129
    mmcgown

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    Hey Dave--I'm sure if you tell us which premium, we can get it locked up really fast!
     
  8. Jun 25, 2010 #8 of 129
    mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    I only have a couple of data points, but I am seeing something slightly different this week.. a few(*) of my recordings on ABC have Macrovision protection turned on (or at least they're triggering copy protection on my XS32 hard drive/dvd recorder)... But the programs are not copy protected (i.e. preventing MRV) as far as the Tivo is concerned.

    That's slightly a pain, since I like to dub things fairly often to just watch on my other recorder faster than realtime with sound (and usually leave captions on -- so they get 'burned' into the recording too, another sign I'm not trying to do this to record something for keeps)... My "workaround" will likely be recording more things natively on that recorder.. But it's still a pain.

    and these are news & game shows, not something typically cared about regarding DRM. (The other times I've seen this happen is often in the middle of a show -- e.g. a movie clip in a talk show triggers it, and often doesn't go back off for the rest of the show.)



    (*) Maybe all of them do, but I've only tried dubbing a few.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2010 #9 of 129
    flyers

    flyers New Member

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    Cable System CCI 0x02 on/off Channels
    BHN - Tampa, FL On All but locals

    FiOS installation is scheduled for today. I know what I expect from them, but will post once I confirm on my systems.
     
  10. Jun 26, 2010 #10 of 129
    wtkflhn

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    I checked several chanels in NO and found:
    The Locals DRM 0x00
    HBO " 0x02
    TBS " 0x00
    Turner Classic " 0x01
    AMC " 0x01

    So, most of the cable ch's are open.
    But movie chanels, not so much. I'm not using cable cards, so this doesn't affect me that much. If I want to copy a didigetal chanel, I use the analog ch 3 output from the cable box and copying it into TIVO.


    Don H.
     
  11. Jun 27, 2010 #11 of 129
    andyf

    andyf Active Member

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    Comcast Houston

    All clear except premium channels.
     
  12. Jun 27, 2010 #12 of 129
    slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Comcast Atlanta

    All clear except premium channels, Encore channels, Movieplex, and Flix.
     
  13. Jun 27, 2010 #13 of 129
    pmiranda

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    TW Austin: All but locals :-(
     
  14. Jun 28, 2010 #14 of 129
    nrnoble

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    When saying 'Copy protected" does that mean able to record, but unable to transfer to another device?

    I sure hope so, because it is my understanding there is a bit that can be flipped to, more-or-less, disable a TiVo from recording anything from a single show to an entire channel.
     
  15. Jun 28, 2010 #15 of 129
    Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    In most cases yes. So far we've only seen Copy Protection that limited recording only happen on PPV channels, or was implemented by mistake. If someone is on a system that uses the CCI 0x03 on some channels let us know and I'll note it in the first post.
     
  16. Jun 28, 2010 #16 of 129
    Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    That's a good point. We should probably list areas that are clear as well.
     
  17. Jun 28, 2010 #17 of 129
    janry

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    Comcast Nashville: The only channels I've seen protected are HBO, Starz and Cinemax. I'm surprised but Showtime isn't. For awhile Tru-TV and National Geographic were, but then Comcast released them.
     
  18. Jun 28, 2010 #18 of 129
    LI-SVT

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    Cablevision in Brookhaven, New York has 0x02 set for all channels in the IO package and above.
     
  19. Jun 28, 2010 #19 of 129
    MichaelK

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    only premium movie channels flagged
     
  20. Jun 28, 2010 #20 of 129
    tiassa

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    RCN Boston -- only the premiums are protected
     

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