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Confused. Is it an Elite, XL4 or Premiere 4?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by overFEDEXed, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    No, the new Premiere 4 is not THX certified.
     
  2. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    Looking forward to this. I will likely buy a Premiere 4 for $250 + $399 lifetime. I will recycle my 1 TB external drive. 1.5 TB is plenty for me, especially if I can still offload things to my computer via TTG and convert them via Handbrake to an AppleTV compatible format, as I can now.

    I will also buy a TiVo Stream and two IP-STBs.

    I will then sell my 3 TiVoHDs, all with lifetime, one with a 500 GB external.

    Hopefully I can do this without too much net cost. It could also save me some money monthly, if Comcast will get rid of my additional outlet fees on TV2 and TV3 when I replace a TiVo DVR with a TiVo IP-STB.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    One more thing. It's not just OTA capable tuners in the 2 tuner boxes. They also have analog tuners for cable where the 4 tuner boxes do not. So even if you don't care about OTA you may need a 2 tuner unit if your cable system still carries analog channels. (mine has about 35 stations that are still analog only and can not be recorded on my Elite)

    Dan
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The Q is not a retail unit. It is the MSO version of XL4 with a 500GB drive.Or if it isn't THX certified then I guess it was specifically made for cable companies and the Premiere 4 is just the retail version of the Q.
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Why doesn't your cable company duplicate them on the digital tier? This is what Comcast does around here and also FiOS when they had analog channels.
     
  6. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Probably lack of bandwidth perhaps because they haven't done the necessary upgrades such as 850-1000MHz support and/or SDV.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They actually switched to SDV about a year ago. However they never did anything with it. They put all the HD premium channels on SDV but then they left them in their original locations as well. They said they were going to add a bunch of new HD channels in January, but they that was apparently delayed because it never happened. I have no idea what's going on. I'd love it if the simulcast the analog channels on digital. As it is right now I'm keeping my Premiere XL because my Elite can't record some of the shows I watch.

    Dan
     
  8. Tony Chick

    Tony Chick New Member

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    I'm confused then. Time-Warner has the analog channels on the lower numbers, and I know they are analog because my ancient 13" 1990's CRT set in the kitchen can tune them on 2-99 without a cable box, but I can also tune & record them on my XL4. It seems the XL4 can handle analog cable, unless the cablecard is doing some remapping.
     
  9. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    The CableCARD is doing remapping.

    Check the info on a recording from one of those channels. If it was really analog, the info would tell you the recording quality (Basic, High, Best, etc.). If it doesn't say anything about that, then the source is digital (even if the same channel on the same number is analog when using a cable ready TV or a TiVo without a CableCARD).
     
  10. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    Thanks
    And fair enough. Edited the chart to add those.

    (Second edit I was smarter and pulled it back into an editor that supported a fixed width font. It's a little annoying to get the spacing right for the extra lines and width in the broswer's edit window.)
    Code:
                   OTA capable           |
                   Analog/Digital Cable  |  Digital Cable Only    
                   2 Tuners              |  4 Tuners
                 -------------------------------------------------
    small HD     |      Premiere         |     Premiere 4        |
    basic remote |                       |                       |
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Big HD       |     Premiere XL       |    Premiere XL4       |
    THX          |                       |                       |
    glow remote  |                       |                       |
    --------------------------------------------------------------
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That's called simulcasting. They broadcast the channel both as analog AND digital. When you tune to the channel using a digital capable box or a device with a CableCARD it redirects the tuner to the digital version of the channel.

    My cable company (Charter) still has about 35 channels that are analog only. Some of them have HD equivelents but some of them like AMC, Comedy Central and FX only have analog versions.

    The weird thing is I think they tested simulcasting like 6 months ago. I had a few episode of The Daily Show which were much crisper then usual, but then it went back to normal. (I didn't have the Elite yet and didn't think to look for a recording quality flag) I was hoping it would come back but I check every couple of weeks via my Elite and all of them are still analog. :(

    Dan
     
  12. Tony Chick

    Tony Chick New Member

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    Thanks Dan. It would be nice if it would redirect to the HD version if connected to an HD capable device like DirecTV does but I suspect that won't happen.
     
  13. compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    I doubt that. That would probably have to be done on the cable company side and none of them do it
     

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