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Confused. Is it an Elite, XL4 or Premiere 4?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by overFEDEXed, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. Aug 7, 2012 #1 of 33
    overFEDEXed

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    I called Tivo to do a change of ownership on an eBayed, LT HD.

    The rep told me that in a month or two, Tivo was going to replace the XL4 with a "Premiere 4". He said that it would have four tuners and Moca but only a 500GB hard drive. He also said that WE could purchase it for $250. Isn't that the Q for RCN subscribers?

    Are they going to offer the Elite/XL4 to us, with a 500GB hard drive, sell it for $250 and call it "Premiere 4"?

    The rep said that they had a meeting about this two days ago and that they never told them NOT to tell any customers so.....

    I have had Tivo's forever it seems and I have dealt with them many, many times but, this sounds strange to me. I'm sure that he has his facts mixed up but this is what he told me.
     
  2. Aug 7, 2012 #2 of 33
    innocentfreak

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    That is the Q so maybe they mixed it up? I could potentially see it though if RCN needs more and they decide to jump up a tier to bring costs down.
     
  3. Aug 8, 2012 #3 of 33
    Dan203

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    That could be why they changed the name to XL4. They have a Premiere, a Premiere XL and a Premiere XL4. If they add a Premiere 4 then it will complete the line.

    Dan
     
  4. Aug 8, 2012 #4 of 33
    drebbe

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    I was thinking the same thing. I presume this new model would also work with the IP STB that is to be released in the same time frame. Previously the IP STB was initially only going to work with the XL4 since the initial version of the software supporting the IP STB required one of the tuners in the XL4 to be dedicated to IP STB. By having the Premiere 4 TiVo will offer a lower cost entry point into this new paradigm of a single TiVo with extenders.
     
  5. Aug 8, 2012 #5 of 33
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Oh jeez, all we needed was a 4th name for a 4-tuner product. lol.

    Sounds possible I guess, but who knows.
     
  6. Aug 8, 2012 #6 of 33
    aaronwt

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    So by calling it a Premiere 4 they would drop the THX certification to save some money plus save by cutting the storage by a quarter?

    I still think 500GB is too small for a four tuner device.

    I'm still hoping a six tuner S5 is announced for early next year. Then I can replace my Elites and use the six tuner box with IP STBs.
     
  7. Aug 8, 2012 #7 of 33
    drebbe

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    Anybody who has a 56TB MSS might have a slightly different perspective on what constitutes adequate storage capacity than most people. :)
     
  8. Aug 8, 2012 #8 of 33
    davezatz

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    Aero 1

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    i hope this is not the way they are going to "fix" the tivo ip box tuner pool issue by saying that this "premiere" is needed for the ip box, not the two tuner premiere.
     
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  11. sbiller

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    Huh? Care to explain?
     
  12. aaronwt

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    :D And that's only half my available network storage.

    But even with the two tuner DVRs and 160GB drives, I know several people with families that recently have been pissed about their DVR storage capacity since the Olympics has been on. Even though they all have two to five DVRs with 160GB or something larger, they have been complaining about not having enough space to record their normal programming and the Olympics.
     
  13. aaronwt

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    They seem to be all over the place with the Premiere naming. It seems more confusing then ever. Especially when you factor in that some can only record from digital cable. I would think it's confusing for the average shopper.
     
  14. Jonathan_S

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    I don't know, its really only the (now renamed) Elite that really confused things. Otherwise with the new Premiere 4 their lineup falls into a nice 2x2 matrix

    Code:
                   OTA capable           |
                   Analog/Digital Cable  |  Digital Cable Only    
                   2 Tuners              |  4 Tuners
                 -------------------------------------------------
    small HD     |      Premiere         |     Premiere 4        |
    basic remote |                       |                       |
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Big HD       |     Premiere XL       |    Premiere XL4       |
    THX          |                       |                       |
    glow remote  |                       |                       |
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Where XL universally stands for big HD and THX, while '4' universally stands for four tuner and digital cable-only.

    What TiVo probably needs to do is fix that basic idea up with marketing speak (not "small/big harddrive" but maybe "regular" and "extra large") and start putting a similar matrix on their packaging or as part of store displays to help people pick the right unit.
     
  15. compnurd

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    I dont think so. It was confirmed it will come to the two tuner premiere
     
  16. sbiller

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    Fantastic chart. Thanks. One nit to add is the 'XL' boxes come with Glo Remotes instead of the basic TiVo Remote.
     
  17. CoxInPHX

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    So is the Premiere 4 THX certified? I would assume the hardware would be identical to the Q.
    The PDF posted by Dave, does not show THX on the pictured unit.

    According to the picture on the TiVo Q brochure, it has the THX logo on the bottom right of the unit, although nothing in the wording says THX.
    http://www.tivo.com/assets/pdfs/business/Generic_SS-2011_Q.pdf
     
  18. BigJimOutlaw

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    It doesn't appear to be THX certified from any of the limited documentation thus far. But all of the quad-tuner boxes so far have had identical hardware except for different hard drive sizes, so the loss would be moot. Only thing we lose is the calibration video, but there are better ones out there for free.
     
  19. aaronwt

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    Only XL units are THX certified. TiVo does not pay THX to have the certification label on non XL boxes.
     
  20. CoxInPHX

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    The Q clearly shows the THX logo (Zoom in), in the printed material above. I don't think MSOs would even care about THX, perhaps it was a pre-production unit pictured, I would be curious to hear from any RCN customers to see if the actual unit has the logo.

    I just noticed my new Woot Elite does NOT have the THX logo on the front, interesting...
     

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