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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by Peter Redmer, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. gvlbob

    gvlbob New Member

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    Can someone tell me why the app doesn't give the option to just stream using a buffer instead of recording the whole program all the time?
     
  2. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I am not sure anyone on the forums definitively understand the technical / legal issues around streaming "live" TV.

    It may just be as simple as they only had to build a single delivery mechanism or it could be as complicated as not being allowed to place shift "live TV". (Or a combination of a number of issues)

    It would be nice to know, but I am not expecting a change anytime soon.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    My guess... The Stream existed before the Mini so they didn't have a mechanism to stream live TV when it was developed, and now that they do they just haven't gotten around to implementing it in the Stream/app.

    Could be harder then it sounds. With a Mini there is a direct connection between the TiVo and the Mini, with the Stream it sort of sits in the middle between the app and the TiVo and acts as a proxy. So the communication protocol might be simpler and incapable of dealing with all the scenarios involved with streaming a live tuner. (like requesting the tuner, receiving and replying to messages, etc...)
     
  4. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Exactly, and it would require the tivo to allocate a tuner to the stream and this may be the rub...

    Today, if my wife and I both want to stream a show, I would initiate a recording, we would both independently initiate a stream and control it independantly. The tuner is quietly doing it's job recording the show without regard to either me or my wife.

    If the stream allowed direct access to a tuner, we would each have to access an separate tuner taking away from the pool. This could get expensive (resource wise) very quickly.

    As it is today the stream doesn't leverage a tuner at all. With the advent of dynamic tuner allocation it could be done - but would that leave 2 tuner TiVos out?

    The more I think about it, I am pretty sure the expense of tuner allocation is exactly why it is designed this way.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually I hadn't considered that under the current scheme each Mini can only allocate 1 tuner, but in the case of the Stream it can actually stream 4 things simultaneously so it would need to be able to allocate 4 tuners. I believe the current design uses the TSN to allocate tuners from the pool, so it may not even be possible for a single TSN to allocate 4 different tuners. At least not without a major design change.

    I don't think it's a resource issue, as streaming a recording is no different then streaming a live tuner.
     
  6. Bytez

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    How many streams from an already recorded show can be streamed to other devices?
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    A single Stream, standalone or in a Roamio, can handle 4 simultaneous streams. Premiere units can only have 3 outgoing streams at a time, so you can only fully utilize it if you have multiple Premiere units. Roamio units can support 11 outgoing streams at a time so they have no problem maxing out the Stream provided you have enough network bandwidth.
     
  8. Bytez

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    Sorry, I meant how many streams to a phone or tablet OOH.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Not sure about OOH. That goes through a proxy, so it may be limited to one. I've never actually tired, and never heard of anyone trying, so I can't say for sure.
     

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