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Clear and Reset when selling a used TiVo - Yes or No?

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by eboydog, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. Jun 3, 2014 #1 of 35
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Is it necessary to preform a clear and reset when selling a used TiVo? I'm selling a Roamio that has a rather extensive collection of recordings, mostly premium channel movies.

    When a Tivo is transferred to another account, are the existing recordings transferable when a new account and MAK is assigned to the box or do the recordings maintain their prior MAK (ie, is the MAK assigned to the box or the recordings?). Would the reassignment of a used TiVo take on the new owners info with no restriction of the prior recordings?

    I can see issues were login info to NetFlix, Amazon could be a issue but one can just be sure to logout of Netflix and un-authorize the Tivo at Amazon. Network settings should be OK, while I assign static addresses to my TiVo's, I do so based on MAC address at the router rather than on the box's themselves.

    While I don't have any issues with basically handing over my collection of movie recordings is there anything I might be missing or liable for if I don't do a clear and reset? As I see it the new owner could just to guided setup and be good to go right unless of course they prefer to start from scratch.
     
  2. Jun 3, 2014 #2 of 35
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    As long as any premium services are unlinked from the Tivo, doing a C&DE is just a waste of your time.
     
  3. Jun 4, 2014 #3 of 35
    mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Doing a C&DE probably isn't a bad idea if you're selling the Tivo. The new owner is going to have to rerun guided setup anyway and will probably have to delete all of your season passes. Doing a C&DE deletes any personal setup and preferences as well as any personal info that might be hanging around.

    As far as being a waste of your time, that all depends if you plan on sitting around watching it while it takes place. Start it up and walk away.
     
  4. Jun 5, 2014 #4 of 35
    unitron

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    A knowledgeable new owner would be able to take a non-CD&E'ed TiVo and change the things necessary (ZIP code, cable co, etc) without having to do a full Guided Setup, and since it's not absolutely impossible to get stuck in GS with no way out, perhaps it's better not to subject them to that admittedly small risk, and they might enjoy seeing what programming from another market looks like.

    You could reset the IP to DHCP and let the new owner leave it like that (or change it if they know how) so as to avoid any problems with it being able to see their router.

    I'm assuming one can disassociate the particular TiVo from any kind of pay TV setup (NetFlix, Amazon, whatever) so they can't watch on your dime, and you might want to change the name from "Snugglebunny's Lair" back to something like "746_TiVo, but otherwise there's no real personal info on the TiVo is there?

    Unless post S3 setup includes having to enter your SSN and nobody told me.
     
  5. Jun 5, 2014 #5 of 35
    replaytv

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    I won't buy a lifetimed TiVo from craigslist that has been had a total reset and not had another set up done, because I can't see what kind of service it has. I can call TiVo and ask them if the box has lifetime, but would much rather do that, AND see it on the box when it is running. Then I can play around with it too, to make sure the box is working OK. If I buy it off of eBay it is not as big as deal, as I have a guaranty that I can get my money back if any problems develop. And I like to be able to immediately watch something on TV to that is recorded, not have to wait till I have my recordings take place.

    I did buy a used Tivo and bought lifetime for it and it still had Netflix on it so I could watch that.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2014 #6 of 35
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Even the moments used to get a C&DE started (as well as the time spent thinking about it) are a waste of time because it does nothing for you. You use time and gain nothing in the process.
     
  7. Jun 5, 2014 #7 of 35
    mr.unnatural

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    It's not a question of how much time you're wasting or even if it's worth doing. I've bought used Tivos that I ended up doing a C&DE myself simply because it was easier than having to delete everything manually, such as countless episodes of The Dog Whisperer on the hard drive. I really don't care what others have recorded nor do I take it into account when it comes to what I want to watch or record. I would have appreciated the fact that someone bothered to do a C&DE prior to selling me the Tivo so I wouldn't have to do it to clear out all their crap.

    The importance of performing this task obviously varies from person to person. Do it or don't do it. If you buy a used Tivo on ebay and it isn't what the seller says it is, ebay will refund your full purchase price plus shipping. You'll be stuck with return shipping costs, but that's the price of doing business online. If you buy one on Craigs List then you should be prepared to check it out before you hand over the cash. I view performing a C&DE prior to the sale as a courtesy and not a necessity. If having the Tivo's service status available is important then take a screen capture or a digital photo before you wipe it. The info on the screen will confirm it's the same Tivo.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2014 #8 of 35
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I'm not bashful, but I don't care for them to see my previously deleted recordings and such. I do C&DE's just as a friendly service to the buyer. I personally wouldn't want a box littered with their personal recordings, their thumbs up/down, settings, etc. I'd rather have a clean install that's as close to "new" as possible, so I give them the same courtesy.

    If I have a spare remote I haven't used, I might throw that in too since I'm not crazy about using remotes that have been who-knows-where. I'm not a germophobe per se, but remotes and keyboards are legitimately among the nastiest things in the house. Ok, maybe I'm a slight germophobe. :)

    All optional, I'm just nice. :p
     
  9. Jun 5, 2014 #9 of 35
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    I don't disagree. Wasting your time is wasting your time, no matter how much or how little is wasted. fwiw, you're the one that brought up the issue of how much time can be wasted.

    That is 100% wrong because whether or not a C&DE is worth it, is exactly what the OP is asking about. :rolleyes:


    So you want others to waste their time for you. How thoughtful of you.
     
  10. replaytv

    replaytv gun talk ignore list

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    I buy a lot on eBay and I have never paid return shipping when I bought something what wasn't 'right'. I have had to fight sometimes, but eBay always gave me a mailer to send it back. I only lost my time due to the seller being an idiot. And once when I complained to eBay about that, eBay gave me a $20 credit.
    It doesn't matter if the seller say 'buyer pays return shipping', eBay still sent me the mailer.
     
  11. mr.unnatural

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    You must have screamed louder than me because I've always been stuck paying return shipping. It probably depends on who you're buying from. If it's a business that sells through ebay then I can see them paying the shipping. If you buy from individuals then chances are you pay for returning it. I haven't had to go through this process in quite a while so maybe ebay has changed their policy on this.

    Actually, the OP asked if it was necessary and not what the value is in doing it.:p The truth is that it is not necessary, but some people might appreciate it.

    I would appreciate it as a courtesy and I have extended the same to everyone I've sold Tivos to. You make it sound like it's some major production that will take an unreasonable amount of time. In reality, it only takes you as long as it takes to press a couple of buttons on the remote and then just let it do its thing while you go about your business. It's really not that big of a deal so I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
     
  12. lessd

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    When I sell a used TiVo I do a C&D all then set up the TiVo, tag don't record suggestions, put in the 30 sec skip, set the output resolution low, then set up the TiVo as if I was going to move to another place. The new owner will get the TiVo and be forced to set up the unit for his/her zip code, and I will not get any E-Mails about all these recordings that are being made that the buyer did not ask for, or how to get the 30 sec skip, etc.
     
  13. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    It's all about the buyer. So like I said, it does not benefit the seller at all, which makes it a waste of time.


    You're the one that said "It's not a question of how much time you're wasting" so why do keep bringing up the issue of the amount of time as an argument? especially considering that that statement is an admission that time is wasted, which is all I said in the first place.
     
  14. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    I've already wasted more time in this thread than it would have taken me to do a C&DE. :rolleyes:
     
  15. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Yes, you have. :rolleyes:
     
  16. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Yeah, but this is more fun.

    :D
     
  17. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Yeah, except that it boggles my mind about some of things people argue about. Apparently, the time it takes to start a C&DE is far more valuable than the time spent arguing about it. :rolleyes: Just to be clear, the time wasting issue was first raised in post #2:

    I'll toss one other comment out there and leave it be.

    If your Tivo contains recorded programs and you sell the Tivo with those programs on the drive you are technically distributing or selling copyrighted material illegally. Of course, no one will know what is actually on the Tivo except for you and the buyer so it's a judgement call as to whether you leave the recordings intact. In the grand scheme of things, nobody will care and the FBI won't come knocking on your door so let your conscience be your guide in this regard.
     
  18. wmcbrine

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    To answer this:

    The MAK is assigned to the account, and is actually not associated with a recording until it's extracted. On the TiVo's disk, the recordings are encrypted with a different key that's not MAK-dependent. So, yes, the new owner gets full access to all of the existing recordings.
     
  19. lessd

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    If this were not true than a non activated TiVo would be unable to play any recordings that were already on the unit as there is no MAK on any un-activated TiVo.
     
  20. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Shows, or perhaps just the hard drive on which they're recorded, apparently, are encoded or encrypted or locked somehow in a way that involves the TiVo Service Number, which is why you can't just move drives around from machine to machine and still play the shows.

    The MAK only comes into play when you want to copy a show from a TiVo to a PC or another TiVo.
     

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