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Charter all digital

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timr_42, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. younglife12

    younglife12 New Member

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    Ok... Now I know I came to the right place! This is so confusing!

    I have a Tivo Prmiere XL series 4 (not 3)
     
  2. younglife12

    younglife12 New Member

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    1) I must have misunderstood the FCC. They state you have the right to install your own cable card (rented from your cable company)....

    2) I think the Roamio and minis would cost me the same or more than charter want's for the boxes on each TV, Tivo's rent (if I understand it right) is $13.00 for Roamio and 5.99 month for each Mini OR I could purchase all the lifetime's for them and that would be a lot.
     
  3. cannonz

    cannonz Active Member

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    You will definitely need card and TA for the premiere and DTA's for the series 2's, if they are indeed series 2's (look for model number on back) Your cable company is probably providing 2 DTA's for free for a while and charging a couple bucks a month after that. Then use the blasters that came with the tivos or direct connect cable from ebay (more reliable) to control DTA's, redo setup. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tivo-IR-Bla...796?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item4aa489f254
     
  4. younglife12

    younglife12 New Member

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    The premiere (series 4) already has a charter digital box that we have used since we got it. The other two say "Series 2" on the front. Not sure what you meant "use the blasters that came with the tivos" And not sure if I need a "direct connect cable" The Series 2 are currently hooked up and it's been so long since I installed them I don't know if they have what I will need.
     
  5. younglife12

    younglife12 New Member

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    I now see your link above on the blasters. It looks like it's compatible with my Toshiba but doesn't mention my Humax...
     
  6. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Lifetime is the only sensible way to go. In the long run, you will be much better off than renting boxes from your cable company. See thread discussion on this topic:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=515396
     
  7. shrike4242

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    As long as you have a cable card and a tuning adapter, you're good to go. That's all you need, though when the channel map changes, you will need to go through Guided Setup again to get the channels set up again.

    1) You're right about the FCC allowing for cable card self-installs, since it just requires providing Charter the Data ID and Host ID. It doesn't need a truck roll. Heck, most of the times I've had a tech on-hand to do a CableCard install, they screw it up or the back-end rep screws it up.

    If you don't mind being forced to watch the content on a TV that the DVR is connected to, having Charter's sub-par DVR implementation in place of the Tivo software or a much smaller amount of recording space, go with the Charter boxes.
     
  8. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Translation: Charter employees are incompetent, so if you don't mind rewarding their incompetence by paying Charter extra money each month to rent their crappy equipment, in addition to the money you are already overpaying them for the content, then just do that.
     
  9. younglife12

    younglife12 New Member

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    I hear that. I love Tivo. Have had tivo for about 10 years and purchased liftetime on all 3.

    Charter just "assured" me that my Series 2 tivos "should" work with the hdhomerun prime. I had to go to level 2 tech to get that answer. Level one said he knew nothing about it. Amazon has it (homerunprime) for $99 so I will buy 2 for my series 2 tivo's and give it a try. If it doesn't work Amazon will take them back. If it all works, (big IF) my series 2 tivos will cost me $2.00 each a month for the card from charter (and of course the $100 initial cost). That will give me some time to save up for the Roamio and minis and the lifetime subscriptions for them all.

    Speaking of Charter employees, I recorded my conversation with the worst customer representative ever. I have an app on my phone that can do that easily. I kept telling him he was being recorded but he continued to harrass me. I called and complained and played the unbelievable conversation and they were shocked (or seemed shocked) that he spoke to me that way. They were kind, however, and offered me free installation. I'm thinking they will regret it.
     
  10. cannonz

    cannonz Active Member

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    I'm not sure what you mean by the homerunprime will work with your series 2 tivo's it is a tuner for computer based DVR system. All you need is a DTA from your cable company for each of them, either free or a couple of bucks a month. And I suspect the digital box you have for your premiere is a TA (does it have a USB connection to the tivo?) and has a cable card installed.
     
  11. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    As far as I know, Charter does NOT provide DTAs. For the digital conversion, they require you to get a full cable box. At least in my area no DTAs were offered.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Same here. Not DTAs, you had to get a full box. If was free for a year then $5/mo per box there after. For me it didn't matter, but I'm sure it's going to add up big time for other people once that year is up.
     
  13. JosephB

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    I don't know about that. Charter's CEO has said on multiple occasions that he wants to get out of the SDV platform. I think what is more likely to happen is that instead of a wholesale move to SDV (meaning MPEG2/4 modulated onto a QAM) there will be a move to IP-delivered h.264 via multicast. Which, while functionally very similar to SDV, is drastically different (which I'm sure you're already aware).
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yeah I was going to mention IP but I didn't want to confuse people too much. Although as long as cable companies are required to support CableCARDs they wont be able to switch to IP as the CableCARD spec requires QAM.

    Personally I'm still holding out hope for AllVid, rather then proprietary IP technology, but we'll likely end up with the later. Especially with Charter's special waiver they got from the FCC.
     
  15. JosephB

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    Unfortunately CableCard is on it's way out, the writing is on the wall. The best we could ever hope for is our beloved TiVo becoming (one of) Charter's partners for downloadable security (they have to have at least one) to keep their CC waiver, but eventually the tide of "apps" available on "multiple devices" will be enough for the FCC to say that "retail works!" even if it doesn't meet the standards that *we* would set.
     
  16. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The AllVid alliance is still pushing the FCC for a more universal replacement to CableCARD, I'm really hoping they listen. But in all likelihood the the FCC is going to listen to the lobbyist and cable is going to end up being a hodgepodge of proprietary downloadable security standards. They'll all be "open", but they'll be different enough that it'll be hard, or impossible, for a company like TiVo to design a box that works with all of them. :(
     
  17. pshivers

    pshivers Retired!

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    Charter did the all digital upgrade last night here in SoCal, (03/25/2014). It does look like I will need to run the guided setup on my Tivo boxes (2 Roamios and 3 Tivo Mini's) as many channels like HBO and many others are listed as one program but playing another right now as well as many messages that some channels are not available on my tuning adapter.

    Charter has been informing us of the change for the past couple of months at least and that they would provide Cable Boxes and/or CableCards to those customers for free for 12 month to those customers that will need to add them to their TV in order to continue watch Charter Cable programming. (Does that mean I get one of my existing CableCards for free for the next 12 months???)

    I'm looking forward to the promised doubling of Internet speed to 60 Mbps and their "Spectrum" service, (whatever that really means). Now if they would update the CableCard firmware to 153.1101 so I can use all 6 of my tuners I would be very pleased!

    They did not mention anything about special handling of Tivo's such as the need to run the guided setup to get all your channels back in sync, but that is par for the course with Charter.

    Thanks for the info, I'll run my Guided Setup and see if the clears the Channel Guide mismatch problems. ;)
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    When we first switched a lot of the channels were wrong. There were quite a few listed with a P at the end designating a Pacific feed, but that were actually east coast feeds so they were off by 3 hours. I had to submit several lineup change requests to TiVo to get those fixed.
     
  19. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Because they usually do the digital upgrade on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis, there is usually a new lineup created (called something like "rebuild"). You can look at http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/ and enter your zip to see if it is available. If it is, then you would need to run guided setup again and when you get to the channel setup do the advanced setup and choose the new lineup.

    Just be aware if you choose a new lineup, they may or may not delete that lineup after a few months and move everyone back to the main lineup. If they do that, you will have to run GS again.
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Mine only had one lineup, but I still had to rerun GS. I think the change was so massive it just screwed up my TiVo. My Sister never did on her TiVo HD and it did get picked up eventually, but after like a week.
     

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