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Charter all digital

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timr_42, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. JosephB

    JosephB Member

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    This is illegal, by the way. They cannot require you to take one of their boxes for the promo pricing. If you want to eliminate the $10 or whatever rental fee is, you can take it back and just have a CableCard device (TiVo)
     
  2. shrike4242

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    I was going to do that initially, though they're crediting the cost of the boxes back in CableCard rental fees and it's been useful once in a while for OnDemand content that obviously can't be viewed on the Tivo.
     
  3. JosephB

    JosephB Member

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    Fair enough, if they are not charging you for those boxes. Just know your rights and make an informed decision. They cannot force you to take a box to get a promo price, and if you don't take the box they have to give you a discount equal to the rental price. Got to keep them accountable :)
     
  4. hazelnus

    hazelnus New Member

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    We're on the Illinois side of St. Louis and just went digital with Charter yesterday. With my Roamio basic, i did a guided setup with the St. Louis zip code above and worked great, no problem. With my Premiere 4, I had to run guided setup three times before i could get all my channels. After that, i had a problem with a couple of my season passes that were the correct channel but didn't match up with episodes that should be scheduled to record, so i had to cancel and get those season passes again. Overall, pretty smooth transition. The tuning adapters still appear to be required.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I disconnected my TA and flipped through all the HD channels, only 3 didn't work without it. So either they have a lot of the SD channels using SDV or they're barely using SDV.
     
  6. rainwater

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    For me, it is exclusively SD channels (like all the SD channels on the sports tier). Very few channels that I watch are SDV. However, I believe the NFL Redzone channel was on SDV last season, so I have no choice but to keep it attached. I really hope they find a way to disable SDV. I honestly think it is still active just because they don't want to go through the trouble of disabling it.
     
  7. cannonz

    cannonz Active Member

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    Does your company have a list of them on their site, Brighthouse does here.
     
  8. FrodoB

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    Unless they're changing something in the upgrade, that's far from true in at least the Wisconsin Charter region. Something like half to 2/3 of the HD channels here are SDV, including a not-insignificant number of popular ones that are included in Expanded Basic.
     
  9. atmuscarella

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    Doesn't having popular channels on SDV kind of defeat the purpose of SDV? If someone is always watching a SDV channel there is never any band width being freed up from not broadcasting it on that node, isn't that whole idea behind SDV?

    Also if someone else on your node is already watching a SDV channel wouldn't it temporarily be available to everyone on the node without the need for the TA? I thought all the TA did was request the channel be sent?
     
  10. FrodoB

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    No one ever accused Charter of intelligence. :D

    Seriously, though, I think they just got to the point where anything that got newly added went to SDV by default. It's possible it was easier for them to administer that way. I think I remember that they did a major network upgrade a couple years back, too, so maybe this started because of bandwidth constraints and just continued once that wasn't so much a problem.

    Either way, I'm not going to complain about having a TA if it means literally every station I ever watch is in HD, which basically will be the case on April 8.
     
  11. djev

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    I live in the Fort Worth area, we were the first to go "all digital" last year. We didn't use TA before the change or after the change. It did make a lot of people angry because they had to get a STB for each TV but that was the only real change.

    We just (March 18th) changed to "Charter Spectrum" with over 200 HD channels and 60 Mbps internet speeds. I did have to do the guided setup on ONE Tivo box (we have 2 Premiers and 2 Roamios) and that seemed to signal the other boxes of the lineup change. It is another big lineup change BTW, like the entire 400 series is blank... I wonder what that will become...

    Now, if only we could get VOD with Charter on Tivo.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes that is the point of SDV. They typically assign a block of less popular channels to a smaller block of frequencies with the idea being that it's highly unlikely people on a given node will be watching all of those channels simultaneously. So for example they might assign a block of 10 channels to a block of 5 frequencies. When someone on your node tunes one of those 10 channels it is assigned one of those 5 frequencies and then that is relayed back to your TiVo or cable box so that it knows which frequency to tune. If someone else on your node is already watching that channel then it leaves it where it is and just tells your TiVo/box which frequency to tune. So as long as no more then 5 of those channels are actively being watched at a given time they're able to offer 10 channels for the bandwidth of 5. And on the rare occasion all 5 frequencies are already being used then the TiVo/box simply displays an error. Although since nodes are relatively small this can actually be multiplied out to the point where it's virtually impossible for all the channels in a block to be tuned simultaneously, so that could basically never happen.

    Eventually all channels will be SDV. Since nodes are relatively small if they moved all channels to SDV then it would be impossible for a single node to use all the available frequencies, which would free up more bandwidth for other services.

    While we see a lot of people complain about poor experiences with SDV and tuning adapters on this forum, it actually is a pretty cool technology that will allow cable companies to offer a lot more services in the future. Stuff like network DVRs and gigabit internet.
     
  13. rainwater

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    It doesn't hurt. It just means those channels will probably always be available. For example, TWC in NC puts every single channel on SDV (except the locals I believe). I would assume they do this so that the system isn't overly complex and is probably easy to configure.
     
  14. tarheelblue32

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    That's not accurate. I'm on TWC in NC and there are a number of cable channels that are not SDV. ESPN, ESPN2, Fox News Channel, Discovery Channel, just to name a few off the top of my head. If you want to find out which channels are SDV and which aren't, all you have to do is turn off your tuning adapter and see what channels you can still receive.

    Perhaps what you are thinking of is that TWC encrypts all digital channels except for the local broadcast channels. To view unencrypted channels all you have to have is a digital ClearQAM tuner, to view encrypted channels you also need a CableCard, and to watch SDV channels you have to also have a tuning adapter.
     
  15. rainwater

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    Are you in the Charlotte market? AFAIK, they put all channels on SDV a while back. I'm not sure about the east side of the state. From what I was told, it was one of only 2 markets that did that at the time. I don't have them anymore, so I do not know if they have changed it recently.
     
  16. tarheelblue32

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    I'm in Raleigh. You could be right about Charlotte, I don't know much about what TWC does down there.
     
  17. younglife12

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    I am jumping in on this discussion and could use some help! I am also in Wisconsin and Charter's date in my area is April 15 for all digital. I am trying to get by without too many monthly charges. I have a lot of TV's (all pretty old technology).

    I think your responses should help others as well since this is affecting so many people very soon!

    I have (two) Series 2 Tivo's and one Series 3 with lifetime. I currently have one digital box from Charter on the Series 3 (Which they made me hook up to get the deal) and could switch to a cablecard at $2 a month instead of box charge of 6.99 month on the Series 3.

    I talked with Tivo yesterday and they said my series 2 boxes would not work with Charter's all digital but from the comments here that may not be true? I have lifetime on all 3 tivo's and would like to keep my series 2 if it is compatible with Charter's digital service (with some kind of box, of course).

    I never watch "on demand" etc.

    I am considering purchasing tuners (which Charter suggested for all my TV's after MANY calls) They recommended HDhomerun Prime (By Silicondust) They did NOT say they would work with TIVO but I didn't ask. This would be a lot cheaper than replacing my 2 lifetime tivo's. (the tuners are about $149.00 each.)

    Here are my questions:
    1) Will these tuners work with my series 2 Tivo's so that I can continue to use the tivo's (or has anyone done this)? I know I'll need cablecards to put in these tuners but they quoted me $2 a month for each card so that seems more reasonable to me than cable box charges.

    2) Are there severe issues with using these tuners with series 2?

    3) Does anyone have a newer TV that can accept the cablecard and what model if you care to share? That would work on my "non" tivo rooms. I would just replace my old technology TV's over a period of time with Cablecard Tv's and eliminate the need for the box charge.

    4) On the FCC web page they state you don't have to rent your cable card and you can purchase it. Has anyone done this and where did you purchase it? Google fcc cable card

    5) Are there any other options that I have not considered?

    Thanks in advance for your help!

    Joni
     
  18. cannonz

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    The series 3 will need a cable card and TA, the series 2's will need a DTA (stripped down cable box) or full cable box and IR blaster or direct connect cable.
     
  19. cannonz

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    Are you sure it's a 3 they don't have IR port to control a box like 2 and below do, were you changing channels manually?
     
  20. tarheelblue32

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    They don't really make TVs with CableCard slots any longer. Since many cable companies use SDV these days, a tuning adapter connected to the TV would also be required to get certain channels. While that could technically be done the same way that the current TiVos do it, no TV manufacturer (that I am aware of) has chosen to do so. Manufacturers view it as a feature that very few people would use, and they don't think adding it for those few people would justify the extra expense of doing so, particularly in an era when HDTVs are being made to be as cheap as possible.

    Your only simple option to avoid your cable company's cable box/box change (besides a Tivo of course) would be to purchase Samsung's retail cable box/media streamer:

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-GX-SM...=1395520339&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+cable+box

    Long term though, it would probably be a better strategy to just upgrade to a Roamio and Minis rather than trying to hold onto the Series 2's and buying CableCard compatible devices for every TV in your home. One benefit of that is that you will only need 1 Cablecard to supply live TV to every TV in your home, which means your cable company will only be changing you 1 CableCard rental fee.

    I think you are wrong about this. I have never read that the FCC has mandated that consumers have a right to buy their own CableCard. Please provide a link that says this.
     

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