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Channel Master's DVR+ offers true subscription-free over-the-air TV recording

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Stormspace, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    My answer from CM support:

    Even with the internet guide data I don't see any indication it can do Season Passes. That would be a major TiVo advantage.
  2. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    Terrible, PSIP is at best usually less than 24 hours of data and is often wildly inaccurate. The OTA stations generally don't give a crap about it (because few people use it), so you'd be better off doing manual recordings VCR-style rather than rely on this.

    It's all YMMV based on area and station of course, but IMO you have to have internet guide to make this functional as a real DVR, not a glorified VCR.
  3. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    But even with the internet guide data, if it can't do season passes is it a "real" DVR?
  4. dianebrat

    dianebrat drastically off narrative TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    What makes a DVR require a Season Pass function? it's still a DVR without that capability, just not one with many features :cool:
  5. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    You don't suppose TiVo users are spoiled for ordinary DVRs, do you?

  6. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    Hey this is a Tivo forum! Real DVR's do season passes. :p

    Just out of curiosity, how many other (so-called) DVR's do SP's? Do the cable co boxes do them?
  7. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    Every DVR that I know of does SPs. Even cableco POS. Without the ability to set an SP, it's almost worthless.
  8. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Heck, even *Tivos* with Tivo Basic didn't do Season Passes.. That was their attempt to make people pay for the full service.

    Though one could also argue, even without trademark infringement issues (if Tivo does indeed have the trademark), whether other recorders DO have a (nearly) equivalent of season passes.. e.g. follow time slot changes and such.
  9. Loach

    Loach Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Omaha, NE
    Even my Cox DVR I got in 2005 did season passes and did them well.
  10. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    This quoted from a post on the AVS Forums DVR+ owners thread:
    The question is how well does this mimic a Tivo SP?

    It looks like Dave Zatz is the only person outside CM to have had access to a DVR+. Maybe he could provide some info on this.

    In major metro areas OTA can pick up 2 or more stations that air the same shows. There would need to be a way to prevent recording duplicates.

    Unless the DVR+ has some reasonable SP-like functionality I think it will have a hard time competing with Roamio even with the $200 price advantage.
  11. polar_vortex

    polar_vortex New Member

    Jan 8, 2014
    I just got mine today and hooked it up to my Samsung Smart TV. I connected an Ethernet cable from my ClearSpot Hub for the Internet and hung on a WD Passport 1TB USB drive. I live in Fremont, CA and get all the SF Bay Area OTA channels with an indoor amplified antenna.

    I just pulled the plug on Dish, too much for too little. This CHM DVR+ displays a program guide and allows future recording choices and on the air rewinds very much like the Dish DVR did. The picture quality is fantastic, it allows 1080p and 720 to come through. Wow. I'm very pleased with this, my previous OTA DVR experiences were not good.

    The DVR+ comes with built in VUDU, but my Samsung Smart TV comes with built in Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime Time, HuLu+, and will play MP4 videos on a USB flash drive plugged in back.

    Back with more later, right now I'm anxious to watch the TONIGHT SHOW I recorded in 1080p.
  12. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2002
    I always read about these new rudimentary DVRs, I like competition even though there is a superior product available for the market already and I know the new competition won't really be competition. I would buy a used TiVo Premiere with lifetime service at about the same price before buying this, primarily because the TiVo DVR software is so much better, more sophisticated and reliable. I would also buy a new Roamio at a premium before buying this.

    The market for this product is one that doesn't really understand the difference between TiVo and a simple DVR, to avoid the hated monthly fees. I hate monthly fees also but I don't see how anybody making a comparison between this Channel Master DVR and TiVo could decide to buy Channel Master instead of TiVo with lifetime.

    I am using a PC with attached USB hard drive and PlayLater DVR software, once in a while I get a failed recording and I believe the reason is often the USB connection. MediaMall, the company selling the software has stated USB drives are not recommended and suggests internal drives should be used. I have no technical knowledge about connection types and shortcomings but based on my experience, I think internal SATA or IDE drives or eSATA connection for external drives is preferred. With PlayLater, I just reschedule the recording, it is still available but with this Channel Master DVR and live TV, a missed recording is a bigger problem.

    Anybody with a better technical understanding of connections think USB is a poor choice for DVR storage? I do welcome the competition of course, even though I have no interest, I am part of the target market, a cord cutter using OTA DVRs. I am a long time part of that market and have looked at the previous Channel Master DVRs and others.
  13. NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

    Oct 3, 2003
    Central Mass.
    There is *NO* OTA programming in 1080p. NBC and CBS broadcast in 1080i, ABC and FOX broadcast in 720p. Not sure what that DVR is telling you to make you think otherwise.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.
  14. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    It would be interesting to know how this DVR's OTA reception is compared to the various TiVo and non TiVo options out there. Unfortunately the only way to really know how the reception compares is to have all the DVRs in one place that has marginal reception and/or the common reception issues and test them off the same line.

    The reality is there are getting to be a good number of options for OTA, which is a really good thing. I would love someone to do a large scale comparison but I do not think it is going to happen.
  15. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH

    How well can record by name mimic season passes? If the same show airs on two or more stations you receive, can you set it to only record from one station (to avoid recording duplicate episodes)? If the same episode has repeated airings, can you prevent duplicate recordings, or at least have the repeat recording overwrite the previous duplicate?
  16. bobsaccount

    bobsaccount New Member

    Jan 8, 2014
    Hook the TV antenna to the single RF input. Record two shows. Use a splitter and your TV's tuner to watch a third program while recording.
    It's a connected unit. Doesn't have Netflix YET. Netflix is hardly difficult to get to. Roku anyone?
    USB hard drives have more than enough speed for HDTV. :D
    Oh. And the program guide? FREE!
  17. bobsaccount

    bobsaccount New Member

    Jan 8, 2014
    The DVR+ plus does indeed have an internet based program grid, And it's Free. It only uses PSIP for a backup.
  18. bobsaccount

    bobsaccount New Member

    Jan 8, 2014

    The DVR+ does text/title-based recording. Not quite a SP, but real close.
  19. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    This is deja vu all over again (covered earlier in this thread). :p
  20. Aero 1

    Aero 1 Member

    Aug 8, 2007
    posted this over at AVS, interesting. competition is a good thing.

    Channel Master is developing a whole-home DVR solution for cord cutters



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