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Changes in the TiVo Premiere 20.2.2 update

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. MHunter1

    MHunter1 TiVo Bug Hunter

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    I noticed this too. The suggestion icon is still permanent when viewing the program's summary page, but not the My Shows list. It must be a bug because the icons should be consistent on both the My Shows list and Program Summary screen, and we already know Suggestions will be first to get deleted when recording space is needed.

    It's especially annoying when viewing the My Shows list with Groups turned off because there is no longer any "separator" between where suggestions end and regular recordings begin.
     
  2. ort

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    Maybe I'll force myself to use them for a while and see how it goes. They do look a million times better.
     
  3. sea7kenp

    sea7kenp New Member

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    Hello Scott. For me, it's because the TiVo is normally just a "utility" to let me watch live TV (including pausing it, when needed), recording shows, and watching them later. SDUI works fine for that, and even works if I "get bored" and look for a YouTube video or something.

    When I first got my Premiere (with 2 tuners), I explored HDUI, but it crashed frequently and required working Internet for many of its functions. (In fact, at that time, it refused to let me watch "My Shows", UNLESS Internet was working. Unfortunately, I suffer from "flakey broadband" at times).

    Now that I'm told a lot of HDUI bugs have been fixed, I'll revisit it, next time I'm "bored".

    Thank you and best regards,

    Ken Parker, Seattle, WA
     
  4. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    "Just fine" is a vast overstatement. (Disclaimer: I guess my WiFi *bridge* is a lot flakier than I used to think. I've been using it for daily calls for quite a while now, even with an S1 with an Ethernet adapter.. It *seemed* really non flaky.. But now that I have a Premiere 4, it really does go flaky fairly often.)

    You get the big blue spinny circle if you try to hit Tivo when it's in live TV if the connection isn't up.. You get a shorter spinny trying to enter a show folder IIRC.. Basically, you get a bunch of waits, and you can eventually get to a show..

    But "just fine" it is not.

    Heck, the fact that you can't even do a TITLE SEARCH without the Internet is pretty sad.. It even seems to get confused if you try to do a manual recording sometimes, when the internet isn't there. (I sometimes do manual recordings for the Viggle bonus point shows to get just 15 mins or half hour of it to check into.)

    Then again, I still haven't switched back to SD UI yet, even though things bug me -- like the channel up/down missing basically everywhere except for generic page up/down (someone ELSE mentioned this at a friend's house too).. The free space indicator is useful to me (I'm a space micromanager), and some more info that you get WITHOUT going more screens deep (e.g. episode #) are useful too… and of course I'm putting up with the sluggishness (even when it has a reliable internet connection) compared to SD UI.
     
  5. sea7kenp

    sea7kenp New Member

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    My approach is to use SDUI most of the time, when it's just routine stuff. But I switch to HDUI when I want to check things out, which I intend to do soon.

    Thank you and best regards,

    Ken Parker, Seattle, WA
     
  6. Bulldawg9908

    Bulldawg9908 New Member

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    KidZone rules, parental controls drool. :p

    Why do parental controls do nothing to block YouTube? My son loves YouTube because I show him videos on it from time to time. Now, with the HDUI, YouTube is right there at the bottom of my shows. With parental controls enabled, I can watch anything I want on YouTube. There is a whole lot of stuff on YouTube that I would rather not let my 8 year old son see. He's a good kid, so we've told him no YouTube without us present, but what the hell, TiVo?

    I saw a previous comment that Netflix was also unrestricted with parental controls. There's a good bit of soft core porn on Netflix streaming, not to mention ultra-violent movies. I don't have a Netflix account anymore, so I can't confirm this, but it would seem TiVo doesn't think YouTube or Netflix are worth blocking with parental controls.

    I also don't see a way to disable or delete the YouTube app. Can we have that option, or at least an option to block all apps with parental controls?

    As time goes on, I miss Kid Zone more and more. It's almost like no one at TiVo has kids.
     
  7. morac

    morac Cat God

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    You can unselect YouTube in the Settings->Channels->Video Channels and it won't show up anywhere, but I agree parental controls should extend to apps.
     
  8. Bulldawg9908

    Bulldawg9908 New Member

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    Thanks. I'll do that.

    What a non-obvious way to disable YouTube, IMO.
     
  9. chrispitude

    chrispitude New Member

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    Just had our first spontaneous crash/reboot while watching live TV. It happened right at 7pm, so I imagine it was getting ready to record something else. I'm not sure if it was caused by the new software, but I can't remember this ever happening before.

    Edit: yes, after reboot, confirmed it was scheduled to record something on the other tuner.
     
  10. smeehrrr

    smeehrrr New Member

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    Bad, bad call on removing KidZone. It was an excellent differentiator for Tivo versus generic cable-company DVRs, and it was extremely well implemented.

    I think this is the first time I've been genuinely disappointed with Tivo as a company.
     
  11. compnurd

    compnurd Active Member

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    Now though it hardly differs from say Direct TV Parental controls and is more that most cable controls... I have never used it. Kids are instructed on what they can watch and if they are caught with anything beyond that they get my foot
     
  12. b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    Ken,

    Thanks for the reply, but I wasn't talking about people still using the SDUI. I was talking about the fact that some menus are STILL not in HD. I can't believe it's gone this long without making it all HD.
     
  13. b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    it's always been this way. For Netflix and other apps too.
     
  14. sea7kenp

    sea7kenp New Member

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    Sorry for the misunderstanding. (I was afraid, for a moment, that TiVo might be getting ready to force everybody to only use their product on an [often overpriced] HD Television!)

    The types of menus that I might "expect" a company to keep only one copy of would be some "mainly setup only" menus, that people don't visit often.

    What menus are you discussing that you wish were in HD?

    Thank you and best regards,

    Ken Parker, Seattle, WA
     
  15. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    How is an HDTV overpriced? You can buy a 32 inch LCD for like $199. I paid over $500 for a 27 inch Sony CRT back in the 90's.
     
  16. sea7kenp

    sea7kenp New Member

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    I said "often overpriced". Though I haven't been keeping track of the decreasing prices for the last few years, and so am surprised about the 32 inch price you quoted.

    Thank you and best regards,

    Ken Parker, Seattle, WA
     
  17. cjgadd3

    cjgadd3 Member

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    I bought a 36" CRT back around '97 and paid about $750. Man, that was a heavy TV! :)
     
  18. teavaux

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    I agree with smeehrrr.

    KidZone is a *huge* loss - there was nothing like it. I really relied on it when my kids were younger -- now they are all teenagers and above.

    With KidZone you could be confident that:
    - your kids - (or other adults during parties or babysitting) - could not mess with your recording or season pass settings

    - the TV would be reduced to watching the shows you wanted your kids to have recorded or watched - that's it. No accessing YouTube, cable channels you didn't want them to see, or anything else

    - the interface would be clean, simple, and effective.

    With the current parental controls, kids can change recording settings, delete shows you haven't seen yet, and watch shows on channels you don't want them to see just because they happen to be rated below a certain level.
     
  19. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    No and i didn't die, but whats wrong with wanting to use technology to make my life and my kids life better and safer?

    (also to be clear there wasn't 200 cable channels- there were like 7 broadcast channels and when i was a kid and turned on the tv at 7am or 2pm there was no chance of me getting a menu with the shows my mom or dad recorded from 10pm the night before either)


    a nanny state would be someone censoring what my kids watch. there's nothing wrong with ME deciding what i want my kids to watch.

    some people are so absolute and judgmental it's more annoying than a nanny state.
     
  20. Joykins

    Joykins New Member

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    Well, the things we DID have a kid werent taken away by random software updates for unrelated technology. So that was a win for watching Laverne and Shirley in black and white in mom's bedroom.
     

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