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Ceton Beta testers

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Joe01880, May 4, 2012.

  1. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    You are buying the hardware. You don't pay after the beta is over. You just keep the hardware. Consider it a hardware deposit so someone doesn't get shipped a free Echo and then try to sell it on eBay or do zero testing.

    You have to apply specifically to the Echo beta and also get accepted.

    I am sure if TiVo offered people the same deal with their ip box or transcoder, you would have people who want to test.
     
  2. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    I signed up for the Echo extender beta trial. I recently purchased a SiliconDust HD HomeRun Prime from Woot. I have not yet set it up though. I wonder if Ceton would pick a beta candidate that did not own one of their Ceton InfiniTV4 products. Guess we'll see.
     
  3. tootal2

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    seems like a good deal to me. I would buy 1 right now if i could

     
  4. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Guide data is an issue with Zap2it and has nothing to do with Ceton or your PC. Sometimes it doesn't get updated as often as I'd like, but it's never gotten to the point where it ran out altogether.
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Nothing unusual about having the beta testers pay for the hardware. I've been in several betas over the years where I paid hundreds of dollars for the beta hardware to test it. And when the beta was over we got to keep the beta hardware. Which ended up costing less than the price of the final retail product.
     
  6. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I would have no problem signing a contract or even paying a refundable deposit for the hardware... That makes sense.

    But purchasing and subscribing the unit - just to do their work for them... Uh, no.
     
  7. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    This is pretty much common practice employed throughout the computer industry. People get an opportunity to try hardware and software before the rest of the population at a reduced cost and all they have to do is let the manufacturer know what they like or dislike about the product or report any glitches that occurred. It saves a lot of headaches for everyone in the long run. It's virtually impossible for any developer to test every single combination of hardware and software out there so having beta testers is paramount to providing a stable product. If you think Winows is buggy, just think how bad it would be if there was no beta testing program.
     
  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I am a developer and have been managing development teams for over a decade...

    The problem with a beta product is, that by definition it is going to change.

    In this case, if the problems are all software releated, you may be OK long term. But if any of the issues require a hardware change you own the product and the manufacturer has no obligation to make you whole.

    This is risk free for the manufacturer and they are counting on your enthusiasm for a new product to keep it that way.

    I have no problem sharing risk - I am just not going to take all the risk and leave them scott free when the whole product comes tumbling down.
     
  9. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    I hear what you're saying and agree with it in principal, especially with respect to any potential hardware changes. In the case of the Echo extender, any changes are likely going to be software related. I'd feel perfectly comfortable testing such a product if it gave me the ability to be an early adopter at a fraction of the retail cost with the potential of upgrading it to the full released version with a software update. I see any possible risk as being minimal at best.
     
  10. innocentfreak

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    The product is a final hardware product. You are only testing the software.
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Nothing is ever final until it is final.

    A good example of this is the OLED S3 platform that when released the hardware was considered production ready. It was also well documented that you could move to a single M-card when the cable companies finally deployed them. Well, as we know, when the m-cards finaly arrived they would not work on the hardware. Ooops! You had to upgrade to an HD model if you wanted to avoid the second cable card charge from your cable company.

    Will this hardware you are purchasing be rock solid with no hickups or issues? Maybe, maybe not. That is the risk you are taking....

    If there is a hardware issue identified during beta - Ceton will make adjustments before going into full production mode and the future customers will thank you for finding the glitches for them. You on the otherhand are stuck with whatever work arounds can be implemented. Not unlike having to lease 2 s-cards as opposed to a single m-card for the remainder of the units life.

    If you guys are really getting a highly discounted rate - then maybe it is worth the risk. I am not sure what the deal looks like.
     
  12. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Nobody knows what the deal looks like yet. This entire discussion is pure speculation.
     
  13. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    From the email update they just sent out, they had 1000 beta slots for the Echo and had more applicants than slots.

    The Echo has a MSRP of $179.99.
     
  14. tootal2

    tootal2 New Member

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    Im not a echo beta tester:(. a lot of people are complaining about the 179$ price. I would like to buy one for my bedroom

     
  15. aaronwt

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    That sounds like a decent price for a low power extender.

    Sent from my HTC ReZound using Forum Runner
     
  16. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I have only seen two people complain and it sounds like they thought it was going to be $99 which Ceton never said. They just said they were aiming for less than a 360.
     
  17. CoxInPHX

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    I was not picked for the beta :mad:

    I was expecting a $199 price so $179 seems good. The price will surely come down especially on sale.
     
  18. Enrique

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    I was picked. I'm hoping to get picked for the Q also which would help a lot with my set up.
     
  19. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    I got picked and confirmed my commitment to join the Beta testing program in September. Some people have been griping about the $179 cost to join the program, but we get to play with the box for months before the rest of the public and the standard warranty period doesn't begin until it's available commercially. We'll also be getting the final software update when it goes public.

    I've got an X-Box 360 that was purchased for use as an extender but found it to be too noisy, too hot, and had inadequate codec support for many popular video formats. The Ceton Echo will hopefully provide better support for additional formats and will definitely run cooler and quieter based on earlier reports. We never used the X-Box for gaming so that's a non-issue.
     
  20. GatorBlues

    GatorBlues New Member

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    Is there any more informaiton available regarding when the Q and Echo will be available at retail, or regarding the price of the Q?
     

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