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cablevision has a 10 tuner dvr!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by celtic pride, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Maybe, maybe not - what if they compress the crap out of it to avoid using too much of your bandwidth? What if their servers are down, or flaky for a few days (this happened a couple of months ago with Comcast's X1 DVRs)? And more importantly, what if their DVRs prevent you from skipping commercials?

    Cloud always sounds good on the surface but when you consider the control over your recordings that you're giving up, the tradeoff might not be worth it. You have no ability to save anything locally (for use on tablets, phones, etc.) for example.
     
  2. moedaman

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    Which shows the biggest problem with cloud recording. Those recordings aren't actually yours. And yes, I know that those recordings are never technically yours. But having them on your hdd's makes it pretty hard for someone to come along and take them away.
     
  3. XIBM

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    I would like to know technically how the court could inspect and enforce this as the actual way it functions could be buried deep in some programming code. To the user and observer it could look like it was your own copy of what you requested to be recorded. For instance a disk optimization cloud operating system program could be written to examine recordings and if they were identical to eliminate the duplicates by just managing the disk table of contents and all the application code would indicate everyone had there own copy...
     
  4. lessd

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    The key word is identical as in I start my recording 1 minute early or how much over time do I program in for a given sports show, or any other show. Take the CBS 60 minutes program in football season, I add 1 hour to 60 minutes and any show that follows that evening that I may want to watch. What happens when our president interrupts a program because we killed someone important or any other reason, that the time I use OD to get the last part of the program.
     
  5. vurbano

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    Id sure like it. Then the ability to have the ones I want to keep permanently placed on my hard drive.
     
  6. slowbiscuit

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    You won't get that ability in the cloud IMO, because they'll use the cloud as a way to get control back.
     
  7. XIBM

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    Even if you take all the different possible recording options for 60 minutes which would be maybe 20 different possible copies, it is much less than say 20,000 users recording and storing the same show (maybe 1000 times)....
     
  8. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    The real question is whether you'll be able to skip past commercials on any recordings stored in the cloud. I'm just guessing here, but if they compress the programs to reduce storage and bandwidth requirements then playback would probably end up being like any other streamed content. You have to sit through the entire 60 minutes to watch a show instead of watching just the 42 minutes or so of actual programming. I really don't see any advantage to this type of setup for the customer.
     
  9. lpwcomp

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    Storage isn't the issue, network traffic is. You're sending it out 20,000 times vs. once.
     
  10. XIBM

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    On Demand requires this network traffic...
     
  11. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Yes, but on Demand has a far lower utilization than this would, where essentially everything is on demand.
     
  12. XIBM

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    What about Netflix, Amazon, Hulla, etc.
     
  13. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...
    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Pacomartin

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    Absolutely not. Such a system would be technically simpler, but is illegal.

    Cablevision won the court case in 2008 because they could show that all of the logical steps using the DVR service were the same as using a home VCR. That way they were covered under the Jan 17 1984 Supreme Court ruling that saved The VCR From Certain Death.

    Aereo would have never proceeded with their business plan without the CableVision ruling. They reasoned that if DVR services were legal than they could add a personal remote antenna under the same legal principal.
     
  15. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

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    CableVision is now offering a 15 tuner DVR service,
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Is that to compete with Comcast and their 15 tuner X1 system. Three X1 boxes give you fifteen tuners. And Comcast has also been rolling out Cloud Storage for the recordings too.
     
  17. timchi29

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    Regardless if it can record 10 shows at the same time...get out of the house!!
     
  18. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    More precisely, you can record 15 things simultaneously to your personal storage on their servers. No tuners involved.

    Same munificent :)rolleyes:) 500GB of storage.
     
  19. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

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    I have no idea.. I just dumped Cablevision for Verizon FIOS.. they tried to use this to keep me to stay "record up to 15 shows at once!!!"... I was like "who in their right mind would ever want to do that???"

    Yeah, this!!

    I think the biggest conflict we've ever had in this house was Sunday night with The Walking Dead and Homeland being on at the same time.. and the TWO TUNER Verizon DVR took care of that no problem. Now we have a Roamio basic with four tuners.. one is taken with the Tivo Mini, but three tuners? I don't see ever using all three at one time. 10 tuners? Get out'a here.
     
  20. tootal2

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    there are pcs with 18 tuners and a 8 tb drive
     

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