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CableCARD: TiVo Fights The Good Fight

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Mar 31, 2014.

  1. Apr 3, 2014 #41 of 280
    slowbiscuit

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    On Brighthouse or Time Warner? LOL that's funny, you're a day late on April Fools.
     
  2. Apr 3, 2014 #42 of 280
    slowbiscuit

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    Yep this gives them the ability to control the user experience, which is what they tried and failed to do with tru2way. The question will be whether it's optional or mandatory, and Tivo won't go with the latter.
     
  3. Apr 3, 2014 #43 of 280
    Dan203

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    Hopefully the RUI will optional and componentized. That way companies like TiVo can ignore it for things they don't need, like the guide, but use it for things they do, like VOD.

    For simple playback devices the RUI makes perfect sense and makes it a lot easier for 3rd party manufacturers to deploy devices quickly and easily.
     
  4. Apr 3, 2014 #44 of 280
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    I keep hoping for the day to come that all programs (except possibly live sports) are on demand, there aren't any networks, or channels, or anything of that ilk. Just the writers and producers free at last from interference by network executives and meddling advertisers.

    The advertisers would still exists, of course, but instead of paying networks, they pay viewers in the form of credits the viewers could then use to pay for the on demand programs they want to watch. No advertiser needs to worry about sponsoring offensive shows, since they are now simply sponsoring viewers, not shows.

    If only I could figure out how to get there from here :).
     
  5. Apr 3, 2014 #45 of 280
    Dan203

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    That's an interesting idea. Have all content be PPV but allow people to earn credits toward those PPV shows by watching commercials.

    Although it seems ripe for manipulation. I mean what's to stop someone from setting something up to automate commercial watching while they're asleep and then using the resulting credits to watch shows for free? Although I guess that's basically what us DVR users are doing now. We're using technology to manipulate the system and get something for free without paying our dues.
     
  6. Apr 3, 2014 #46 of 280
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    In my opinion the Networks and advertisers killed their own system when they moved an hour show from being 52 minutes long to 42 minutes long. If anyone really believe that people without DVRs actually sit there and watch 18 minutes of commercials in an hour, then I have some great swamp land they can invest in. While I am not a fan of advertisements Hulu has it right the commercial breaks are short enough so you really can not do anything else so you end up watching them.
     
  7. Apr 3, 2014 #47 of 280
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    I suspect ads would have to become interactive. Maybe role playing games where your objective is to buy a new car and use it to get lunch at a fast food place then go to the mall :).

    Or maybe you have to take a quiz at the end of your infomercial and your score is used to decide how many credits you get...
     
  8. Apr 3, 2014 #48 of 280
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    I not worried about having the provider's interface. It still would be possible to place a device between the gateway and the AV network. In our case it would be Tivo. The tivo would request tuners from the gateway and most likely would be able to pick and chose other gateway services to provide. Tivo would wrap this in its own interface which would then provided the content to devices on the AV network.
     
  9. Apr 3, 2014 #49 of 280
    Dan203

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    The concern is that ture2way was suppose to allow the same thing, but then the providers started insisting that they get total control over the UI. So there is a possibility the providers will reject this standard unless they have the option to force their UI on every device.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2014 #50 of 280
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    I understand the concern and hope the providers do not try to assert themselves into the UI for 3rd party components. However, knowing that the AllVid spec request by the FCC was intended for an open spec and that CVP-2 is the industries response to the request, I believe the probability of the providers controlling the UI 3rd party components is low. Unfortunately, its not zero.
     
  11. Apr 3, 2014 #51 of 280
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    NO! That ads would be super targeted, like online ads. I don't want to see ads for some product I just bought for 3 weeks like I do online. I like seeing general interest ads that are targeted to the average person watching the show, not to ME. I'm not a tinfoil hat, I don't mind transmitting data to whoever wants to use it in a big data set, but I just find it annoying as hell to have the same ads over and over again like online.

    I wish every provider would just license the real TiVo interface from TiVo, and then we wouldn't have this problem! :D Of course, that wouldn't get us actually owning the hardware...
     
  12. Apr 7, 2014 #52 of 280
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    It's related to the DLNA CVP-2 article posted earlier in this thread. It appears that DLNA will be the standard that MSOs need to comply with for their set-top boxes. This will theoretically allow a 3rd party "certified" retail box to connect to a cable provided box and receive video services.

    I described it this way over on the investment board,

    I'm sure Dan or some others can jump in here and explain it better than me. :)
     
  15. Apr 8, 2014 #55 of 280
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    In the latest exchange of comments to the FCC, the principal trade association of the U.S. Cable Industry aggressively attacks TiVo's stance on CableCARD. From a retail CableCARD user perspective, TiVo's stance IS in the consumers best interest. The NCTA is essentially arguing that the cable industry and MVPDs will innovate on their own to provide access to their member(s) signals on 3rd party devices. We've seen many examples where this isn't the case but they continue to argue the point.

    Full filing is here --> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7521097227

     
  16. Apr 8, 2014 #56 of 280
    slowbiscuit

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    It's obvious to everyone that Cablecard is a dead-end and a successor should be created. But that's where the devil lies because the MSOs all want to roll their own. Sadly, I believe that this will happen by default as they keep kicking the IP Output mandate down the road.
     
  17. Apr 8, 2014 #57 of 280
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    They are heading down the path that requires an MSO gateway leased device in every home complying with the IP Output rule. The gateway MSO device supports proprietary encryption on a provider-by-provider basis. Any 3rd party device will need to connect to the IP side of the device.
     
  18. Apr 8, 2014 #58 of 280
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    Too bad you're not independent enough to get rid of the crappy CCI byte that TWC uses.
     
  19. Apr 8, 2014 #59 of 280
    geekmedic

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    Cable is just wanting to go out of the television broadcast business. Ever increasing rates, difficulty using third-party devices, etc. will drive people to cancel their cable subscriptions.

    I know if I can't use TiVo and I'm forced to use Comcast's STB's, I will cancel my television service and just stream shows online. Unless Comcast deploys TiVo's UI and setup.
     
  20. Apr 8, 2014 #60 of 280
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    Cable MSOs make a ton of money by providing video services. There is no way they are looking at getting out of that business. They continue to pass-on the majority of price increases to consumers.
     

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