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CableCARD installation FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jfh3, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    But do you have Verizon FiOS? There are other companies that offer FiOS that do pair their cable cards (Frontier is one of them). FWIW I have heard that Verizon actually began pairing cable cards in some small pockets somewhere on the East Coast (in preparation to sell off some more of their network), but I can't recall if that turned out to be fact or not.

    I have no idea with regard to your second question.
     
  2. Ziggy86

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    I do have Verizon FiOS
     
  3. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    You shouldn't have any trouble then. One way to see if your box is paired to the cable card is to check to see if any of your cable channels have copy protection. Normal over-the-air channels will never have copy protection, but some cable channels might, particularly premium channels (Showtime, HBO, etc.).

    Tune your TiVo to a premium channel then go to TiVo Central > Messages and Settings > Account and System Information > DVR Diagnostics. Scroll down the info for either tuner until you come to "CCI Byte". If it's anything other than 0x00 (0x02 for example) copy protection exists and your cable card would be paired to your TiVo. If they are all 0x00 you should have no trouble moving your cable card(s) from one TiVo to another.
     
  4. Ziggy86

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  5. Ziggy86

    Ziggy86 Member

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    Just an update.

    I took the cable card from my broken Tivo and put it into the new Tivo and everything is working. No need to call FiOS or have them come to the house.
     
  6. richsadams

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    Sweet. :up: Enjoy!
     
  7. Brighton Line

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    FIOS doesn't bind cards to devices, if you have Cablevison you would have to call. ;)
     
  8. richsadams

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    Per the posts above, the OP is all set. FWIW in most areas Verizon FiOS does not pair their cable cards. However other FiOS providers do.
     
  9. Apr 3, 2011 #569 of 646
    myblubu

    myblubu New Member

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    I've had a Tivo Premiere for a few months and it works fine (have 2 HD's also), but these questions are about the Premiere.

    All my Tivos do not have cable cards and I don't subscribe to any premium channels, etc.

    Cable company just changed their lineup and converted some of the channels we watch from analog to digital. They sent a letter out explaining the change and stating that either a cable box or cable card was going to be required to receive the digital channels after the switch. They also offered a free standard definition set-top box and remote control for 1 year if you reqested it (they say a $10/mo value). Since I don't want another box in my entertainment center, I called and asked if I could get a cable card for one of my Tivo boxes instead free for a year - they agreed.

    Cable Company: Time Warner Cable (Dayton, OH)

    The tech came out today to attemp an install. NOT GOOD. First thing I noticed is after the install, the screen on the Tivo stated Non MCard installed. It turned out that they sent the tech out with a basic cable card and not an MCard. The tech called their tech support and the person at tech support said that the cable card wasn't going to work with the Tivo box, but it was going to require a Tuning Adapter (another box) in addition to the cable card to work.

    This doesn't seem right to me - I figured that the Tivo has tuners and if the cable card was installed in my Tivo, then I should be able to watch the digital stations without having to have a separate box connected to the Tivo. Am I missing something here?

    Am I going to need another box connected to get digital channels on the Tivo?

    The channels I get are basic calbe channels 2-73.

    Never dealt with cable cards so figured I'd ask before the tech comes back tomorrow afternoon.

    Any input from anyone???
     
  10. Apr 4, 2011 #570 of 646
    Grumock

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    Nowhere...
    They are correct. If you have SDV (Switched Digital video) in your area then you would indeed need a tuning adapter. The cable card, just like the TIVo is unidirectional, and are not able to let the DNCS (Head End) know that you are on that SDV channel and to start sending it down to you.
     
  11. Apr 4, 2011 #571 of 646
    evanborkow

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    Ask them if any of the 2-73 channels are sdv channels; if not, don't bother with the TA.
     
  12. Apr 4, 2011 #572 of 646
    myblubu

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    So how is that going to work? Will the Tivo be able to record shows, etc without me having to change channels or somehting on the 'Tuning Adapter'?
     
  13. Apr 4, 2011 #573 of 646
    Stuxnet

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    IF you need a TA (big IF), you don't need to do anything different. The Premiere handles all the switching.

    Do what evanborkow suggested. In fact, I'm not even sure you need a cable card... my Premier pulls in all the Basic and Extended Basic digital channels without one... of course the tuning mapping is a little funky with channels like 37-1, 37-2, but TiVo doesn't see to mind. If your CC is scrambling all the digital content, then the cable card will come in handy...
     
  14. Apr 4, 2011 #574 of 646
    a68oliver

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    Crawfordsvil...
    I agree, there is a big IF regarding the need for the TA.

    However, even if the cable company provides the channels unencrypted, you may still need the cablecard to download the appropriate channel map. The Tivo may not be able to provide the correct guide data without the channel map. That would defeat the whole purpose of having a Tivo.

    It is likely that they have already turned on the digital channels before shutting off the analog ones. You could try a channel scan right now and see what shows up. Before I added a cablecard to my bedroom Tivo, I was able to scan and watch all the old analog channels and some of the new unencrypted digital channels. However, as I said the channel numbers were wrong because I didn't have a cablecard to download the channel map.
     
  15. Apr 5, 2011 #575 of 646
    myblubu

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    Thanks all you guys! All your information was very helpful. The Tech came out last night and it was his FIRST Tivo cable card install! But he was great - had a great attitude and said we'd figure it out together. I REALLY didn't want the TA and asked about SDV channels, since I don't do anything fancy with premium channels or PPV, etc. He 'thought' I was going to be okay, but we installed the cable card and it didn't work. He called his support desk and they said it ws going to need the TA. So we installed that and everything works now. Although now I also get HD channels I didn't receive before - cool! Thanks for explaining everything.
     
  16. Apr 5, 2011 #576 of 646
    myblubu

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    Thanks to you too Grumock! You got me on the right path. Thanks for replying!
     
  17. Apr 6, 2011 #577 of 646
    fpp777

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    Looks like I may have to replace the drive on my HD unit. Will I have to have Verizon come out, or will the same 2 cards be ok with the new drive?

    Sorry if this has been covered.
     
  18. Apr 6, 2011 #578 of 646
    a68oliver

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    Crawfordsvil...
    IIRC, the pairing info is stored on the drive. If you can copy the drive you will be ok. However, if you install a fresh drive with a new image, the pairing info will be lost and you will need to re-pair the cards. That MAY require a trip depending on your cable provider policies.

    If I am wrong, I am sure someone will chime in and correct me.
     
  19. Apr 6, 2011 #579 of 646
    Ziggy86

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    Who is your cable provider. I have Verizon FiOS and did not have to have the cards repaired.
     
  20. Apr 6, 2011 #580 of 646
    myblubu

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    I've just noticed this. When I record some shows on the HD stations that I can now receive (like TBS HD), the recording shows up with a red circle with a slash through it in the recordings list & it won't allow me to transfer it to another Tivo. If I record the show on the regular TBS station, I can transfer it like I always have. Is this normal?
     

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