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Cable Co. announces move to all digital... and I own a few STDT. Now what?

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by tough joe, Jan 30, 2013.

  1. tough joe

    tough joe Member

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    this is the tivo i have. http://www.rakuten.com/prod/tivo-hd...ours-in-hd/205144562.html?listingId=210276712

    i dont have any cablecards installed as i have straight up analog service. i use no cable boxes. i use only channels 2-99. it works for me. (well, workED for me)...
     
  2. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    The only TiVo model that requires 2 cards is the TCD648250 Series 3 Standalone High Definition DVR. The Premiere only has one slot and needs an m-card and while the TiVo HD and HD XL have two slots, they only need one m-card. Cable providers are required to provide m-cards unless you specifically request an s-card. If your package includes a converter, you should able to get one card for free in lieu of the box. You will have to pay $4/mo total for the other 2 cards plus $90 total up front "security deposit". You may also have to fight with them if they try to charge you additional outlet fees.

    s-card = single-stream CableCARD
    m-card = multi-stream CableCARD (can support up to 6 simultaneous streams)
     
  3. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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  4. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    I looked at the rate sheet again and the deposit is per household so would only be $30.
     
  5. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Isn't it? I love how people assume that everyone has the money to replace two lifetimed TiVos or get a new TV with a digital tuner at the drop of a hat.
     
  6. tough joe

    tough joe Member

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    lpwcomp - i LOVE the burn notice signature referrence. made my day when i saw it. :)

    oh interesting - i thought i would need 2 cablecards for each new tivo (one per tuner - 2 per tivo). i havent even looked at the "per outlet charge" until now... holy crap - $14 per month extra? or.. unless that's for the channels above 99.. which i have no need or interest in....

    so should i wait until they switch everything over? or should i start to make the switch myself now?

    also, will the new premiers have rtr transfer - i have hours and hours of shows spread among my series 2 tivos. how should i handle that? im thinking i'll have to transfer the shows to the tivo hd first (like a holding area) until the new premiers are bought, installed set up with digital cable - then transfer the shows back to the rooms with the new premiers ?? would that work?

    what about kmttg - will that still work with the new premiers that i get? and will all tivos continue to be networked together?

    my sister inlaw is in the same cable system - she has a series 2 single tuner. im guessing all she'll need is that converter and she can continue to record the same way?

    thanks sooooo much again
     
  7. sbourgeo

    sbourgeo Hepcat Daddio

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    I went through this last year with Comcast and I would suggest getting everything taken care of well ahead of time. Getting my analog-only TiVo HD up and running with the cablecard was very straight forward and worked out pretty well, but you never know if you will run into issues. It sucks that you have to incur the costs of new hardware to maintain your dual tuner setup, but you're pretty much at the mercy of the cable providers when they decide to make changes. :(
     
  8. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. BTW, I do not exclude myself from its applicability.:)

    Yeah, that is probably the biggest downside to the "Digital conversion" since it allows them to return to the "per outlet" charge they used to have. Actually, it is even worse than before They used to charge for each cable drop. Now they charge for each piece of connected equipment. The FCC regulations are a bit murky in this area even if the FCC were interested in enforcing them. The charge sheet is somewhat difficult to interpret to determine what your monthly bill will be, especially since there is nothing on there about a "customer owned equipment credit", to which you should be entitled.

    I would look into acquiring a CableCARD from them for your THD so you can see how much trouble it is going to be.

    The Premieres support networking just fine. They are faster too. You can also stream between Premieres so if your cable provider starts marking things as copy protected, you will still be able to watch anything recorded on a Premiere on another Premiere.

    As a matter of fact, kmttg can do more things with a Premiere than with older TiVos.

    That would be correct. She will need to use an IR blaster so that the TiVo can control the cable box.

     
  9. tatergator1

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    One potential caveat to add about your concerns with room to room transfers. All of your old content will move fine no matter what. However, since the signals will now be digital, the CCI-byte may come into play. In basic terms, there is a portion of the digital signal that cable companies can assign values to restrict how recorded content can be saved and transferred.

    Given that this is a small, regional cable company, this probably won't be an issue. However, there is the potential that the CCI-byte is 0x02 on some of the channels. This would prevent all "transfers" of the show between all Tivos and your computer. The Premieres do, however, allow "streaming" of copy-protected content. So, if your digital channels were copy-protected, you could still watch shows between the Premieres, but not between Premiere and TivoHD or Premiere and computer.

    It's a complex mess, but hopefully you won't have to worry about this issue.
     
  10. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Active Member

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    where does it say that?
     
  11. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    ajwees41, The 1st cable card is per the FCC, the $2 charge for the 2nd is based on what Comcast charges for a second card.
     
  12. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure why you need to buy two new Tivo's. The set up you have now will go from 6 tuners to 4 tuners, with the TivoHD getting a cable card and the ser2 each losing one channel, while being hooked to two digital cable boxes. So you would only need to buy one Tivo HD or a premier. When I had a ser2 I had it connected to a digital cable box and used a cord that came with the Tivo to connect the TiVo ser2 to the cable box for changing channels.
     
  13. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering what TiVo's are connected to what TV's?
     
  14. tatergator1

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    I'd be interested to see the FCC regulation requiring this. If so, TWC, along with many other Cable providers have been willfully violating this "first card free" rule since the existence of CableCARDs. The "first card is free" is Comcast standard practice, may also be other cable companies too. There is no mandate for a free 1st card. There is a user-supplied equipment credit if a cable box is included as part of the cable package your subscribe to, but nothing more than that.
     
  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Specific cite please.
     
  16. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    It seems I have been believing what a lot of other people have posted in other threads. I took what I read about 1st cable card is free according to FCC to be the truth. I just spent the past 30 minutes trying to prove that fact. Turns out I could not find anything to prove it. So as some one else has posted it must be just Comcast doing that.
     
  17. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    The OP's cable company sure makes it hard to figure out prices on their web site. It appears they charge $2 for a cable card. They don't list any place about the equipment refund you are suppose to get for not using one of their boxes when you have a device that uses a cable card.
    It appears that the OP and the cable company's other customers might have a class action lawsuit because of how the cable company is trying to force them to rent their DVR by disabling the features of the Tivo's they own.
    Where I am at Comcast is still letting people have the converter box that lets their non digital devices connect to the digital signal. They were free for the past year but starting today they are charging a $2 fee to have them.
     
  18. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    According to Comcast's official price sheet, there is no charge for the first card in a device. You should only incur a specific CableCARD charge if you have more than one card in the same device. I have three CableCARD using TiVos (a THD and Two Premieres) with one m-card in each one and no CableCARD charges on my account. Where Comcast gets you is their ridiculous "Additional Digital Outlet" fees.

    Comcast was also recently been granted a waiver which allows them to encrypt all channels, even locals. Once they start doing that, no more clear QAM so you will need a box or CableCARD everywhere, which they will eventually be able to charge for.
     
  19. SNJpage1

    SNJpage1 Well-Known Member

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    Ipwcomp, are you getting the deduction for providing your own device? I get a deduction of $2.95 a month for my Tivo. They call it "cable card digital equipment credit. I also just checked and I am not being charged for a second card since I have a multi stream card.
     
  20. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    My bill is...complicated. I have a currently reduced rate for the package, 3 "Additional Digital outlet fees" (I have one of their boxes feeding a PLS TiVo 2), a couple of "customer owned equipment" credits, and one credit that appears to be based on having a cable card rather than their equipment. Typical Comcast mess.
     

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