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C133 error (Problem with service) BIG EXCLAMATION POINT !

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bdspilot, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. Dec 6, 2013 #321 of 665
    MikePA1

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    It's distressing, not the outage, but particularly the tomes which are technical navel gazing. Except for the few people who were setting up a new Roamio or decided to go through set up again, you could watch live tv, you could watch recordings, etc. IOW, zero impact.
     
  2. Dec 6, 2013 #322 of 665
    slowbiscuit

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    Exactly, it's really not so much about this Tivo service outage (or the much more common case of a person losing their net access), just that a lot of these issues could have been avoided with proper design. Hopefully Tivo will learn a lesson from this and implement some fallbacks.
     
  3. Dec 6, 2013 #323 of 665
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    +1 :up:
     
  4. Dec 6, 2013 #324 of 665
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    +1 :up:
     
  5. Dec 6, 2013 #325 of 665
    wmcbrine

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    Actually there was a significant impact on people who wanted to search for or schedule new recordings.
     
  6. Dec 6, 2013 #326 of 665
    b_scott

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    had this on both tivos a couple times the past week.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2013 #327 of 665
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Dear forum members, thread subscribers, and so on: If you don't want to waste time on an off-topic post, I suggest you skip reading this post.

    Wow "You all...". Great way to make friends (nope, the opposite). You attack everybody in the whole thread and get zero responses (until now). I guess you made everybody's ignore list (except mine), and they don't see your enlightening posts.

    "Hidden agendas" Pot meet kettle then (if I truly had, or have, a hidden agenda).

    "CableCards" had nothing to do with the outage, whatsoever. But does show your own agenda. I don't like them either, but it is beyond anything I can do about it.

    I'm not going to follow-up with your suggestion. CableCards are a PITA, but we do need them. Until CableLabs & the FCC change the game, we get what we get. Reading about somebody having major, and ongoing, issues with cablecards, has no value to me. They are what they are, and they certainly are not perfect.

    "The problem isn't TiVo" - I'd bet every TiVo I own, against that, if there was no agenda. However, there clearly is.

    The ONLY post of mine regarding cardcards, was an attempt to help somebody to understand that cablecards had/have nothing to do with this thread, especially the TiVo service outage, and they should give it some time to re-download the tables/mappings, before hounding their MSO. I tried to help somebody get their premium channels, in the best, and tested, way of letting the card have the time to download the table mappings.

    Fox news: I choose to not watch Fox news. I have a very good hunch that rather than not watch Fox news, you make sure you do, so you can voice your own agendas, opinions, and tell them they are idiots.

    I simply make sure that I never watch Fox news. You could do the same thing by clicking on my name, to the left and selecting ignore user, since half of your posts are stalk & snipe ones, directed at me (and I'm not alone in being on the receiving end of your brash commentary and critiques).

    Back to cablecards, I know exactly how they ended up being what they are. One thing they are not, is a part of anything this thread is about.

    I know TiVo takes a loss on the hardware sales, and makes up for it in the service subscriptions. That's no secret, and never has been. I know TiVo service is their only hope to recoup anything they may lose, and it's offset by their new MSO partnerships. Since the service is where the money is at (leaving out ad revenues, and the MSO partners), they'd have to be suicidal, as a company, to not find some means to re-assure the masses, that service blackouts can't, or won't happen again, or they can at least make things better, by figuring out a way to make the Roamios function better, if they don't learn how to keep the service working (or just as a contingency).

    I have absolutely no hidden agenda about things. I make my agendas clear.

    I actually appreciate my Premieres now, way more than I ever did. Why you think what I post is some agenda about Premieres, is just ridiculous. I'm still contemplating what I will do, when it comes to the Roamios I purchased, and the ones not activated.

    If you don't like Fox News, don't watch it, listen to it, or read it. That's what the majority of those who don't like Fox New do. Yet, you are also not alone, in being somebody who watches it anyway (if that is the case), and reacting/responding to it.

    Would it kill you to not watch Fox News? Nope. You can also un-tick a channel you don't like (me being the channel), and this stalk & snipe thing could be done and over with.

    I don't like the ignore function on here. I like the facebook one, where if one party ignores (blocks) another party, that party can't see what the party who initiated the ignore/block posts, either. If we had that level of ignore/block on here, I truly believe this whole forum would be a better place.

    I've drifted between on-topic and off-topic, in this post. I don't intend on carrying on doing this sort of "intervention', like I'm doing, due to the fact that even a PM to you, to try and end the ongoing crap, that nobody else wants to see, just gave you an opportunity to make accusations, belittle me, and essentially call me things, which I am not.

    Before you even created an account here, I was in a mess, having ticked-off many with posts that make anything posted since your joining, tame, by comparison.

    I realized the mess I had made, and the collateral damage. I PM'd the people I was bickering with, and settled the problems with each. My attempt with you, wasn't very finely crafted, but did not deserve the response you gave me. I was trying to extend an olive branch, but you whipped out the flamethrower.

    That's what really stands out about you, to me. Nobody has ever been so ridiculously hostile.

    It's easy to find old posts of me locked in a dispute/argument, or at odds with somebody. I turned it around, and now I get along just fine with the others.

    I don't have a standard boiler-plate Pm for such occasions. I try my best to make each "Let's try to get along" type-PM, fit each situation. I still can't tell if my attempt with you was an Epic fail on my part, or you just have no desire to get along.

    The ball is in your court. If we can't get past this, I feel we should block each other, and then things will get better. It's not what I truly want, but this can not keep going on forever. Either quit watching Fox News, or quit getting worked up about them. There's plenty of other news providers you can use, who don't have a bias. If you still insist on watching Fox News, you will always be at odds with them. The same applies here, if we can't get along.

    This is my last effort, before I start reporting every post you make, that has little to no value, and just berates/belittles somebody else, or myself.

    If you are balking at this, please, I beg of you, add me to your ignore list, so things can go as, as they used to, before you came along, as well as some other newcomers here, who have also become a major PITA.

    I'm not belittling newcomers, just the ones that come in and lay down the law, in a place they have no jurisdiction.

    Lastly, if you are going to do a hatchet job on a post of mine, in a quote, I ask that you please place a <snip> in every space that exists due to you only quoting parts of my post. Check my replies to others, when I don't quote the full post. I do exactly as I ask you to please do, or anybody else to do.

    PM a response, if you must. I like peace talks being kept in PMs to keep threads on-topic. It just didn't work the last time I tried, with you. So, if you must do it publicly, please get it all out, post it, and let's move on. Shall we?
     
  8. Dec 6, 2013 #328 of 665
    MikePA1

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    Significant? Perhaps for people with no life.:D
     
  9. Dec 6, 2013 #329 of 665
    wmcbrine

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    *plonk*
     
  10. Dec 6, 2013 #330 of 665
    bareyb

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  11. Dec 6, 2013 #331 of 665
    MikePA1

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    Right back at ya.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2013 #332 of 665
    Dan203

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    Search does not function at all when the connection is down, that's pretty significant in the context of TiVo. Some would argue that owning a TiVo at all means you have no life. Why are you watching TV? Go out and do something loser! ;)
     
  13. Dec 6, 2013 #333 of 665
    dianebrat

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    Since we know units physically disconnected from the internet do seem to have a limp-on mode, I'm going to suggest that the weird "it's sorta up" status of the Tivo services were the cause of some of the extra weirdness for some folks.

    However in all situations it's unacceptable to have that big an outage and not give any communication to your customers afterwards.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2013 #334 of 665
    MikePA1

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    Search, Live TV and watching recorded shows. As Meatloaf sang, Two out of three ain't bad during a temporary server outage.

    I resemble that remark! :):p
     
  15. Dec 6, 2013 #335 of 665
    bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    TV is my hobby. I can quit any time I want to. :p
     
  16. Dec 6, 2013 #336 of 665
    moose53

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    I worked on Senior Help Desks for over 13 years before I retired 12 years ago. (I know, that makes me a dinosaur :p )

    I started having Youtube problems before that C133 error showed up. It kept switching back and forth between the old version of VOD Youtube and the new version of VOD Youtube.

    To me, that was an indication that they were getting ready to have BIG server problems. I wonder if it had something to do with the 2 million passwords that were stolen from Facebook and Google at just about the same time.

    I, too, think it's unconscionable that Tivo doesn't have a way (-->> Twitter) of communicating to their users that they are having problems and give us an estimate of when it will be fixed. There is an @Tivo account but he/she was talking about actors and actresses and upcoming TV events while the servers were crashing about his/her ankles. Not very classy.

    Barb
     
  17. Dec 6, 2013 #337 of 665
    wco81

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    I would say that this dependency on an Internet connection should be noted in reviews or consumer guides of this product.

    But there is very little competition or product selection for standalone DVRs.

    Still we might let Engadget and other sites which have done reviews that a lot of the functionality of Roamios break if the Tivo servers are down.
     
  18. Dec 6, 2013 #338 of 665
    ltxi

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    Yeah, you're undoubtedly right. But the current greater real time, interactive dependencies and outage risks that come with it should be obvious to anyone with an intelligence level greater than a pea. I continue to be amazed at the level of some folks sense of technological entitlement and immediate outrage when the least small bit of it goes even temporarily wrong.
     
  19. Dec 7, 2013 #339 of 665
    CloudAtlas

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    And not having search would keep you from doing what exactly? I ask because I just realized that while I use Google to search for everything, I rarely use TiVo search (or Netflix search or even Roku search) . I do use search a bit to initially setup some Season Passes.

    I guess different usage patterns explains why some people experience bugs that others never encounter.
     
  20. mattycb

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    C133 back again. So much for the permanent fix that TivoMargaret posted about. :-(


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