Exactly. But still say that first fail-over should be to go back to what worked on the series3 and before - use the local, downloaded database. Sure, I won't be able to search for programs I could download, but at least I could search for the channels I receive for almost the next 2 weeks. Which is 98% of what I'm looking for. This is a huge failure on TiVo's part, and there should be some recourse for failure to provide the service subscribed to, whether on a monthly or lifetime basis. How long does it have to be out before they have to refund some money? And how would that work for us lifetime subscribers?