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Brighthouse Tampa - SDV coming!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by theaceman, Apr 17, 2009.

  1. sbiller

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    I believe that that BHN will be required to support self installs starting next month (June). I'm debating about possibly upgrading one of my TiVo HD's to a Premiere but wanted to wait for the self-install before even thinking about it.
     
  2. windracer

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    Self-installs for CableCARDs and TAs? That would be great, but I'll believe it when I see it.
     
  3. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Glad you posted that, WR! I just got that notice myself, and I don't understand it. What is my unidirectional device? Is that my TiVo, or is it my non-cable-card TiVo? Will my HD Tivo be okay? Will I have to get a TA?

    I use MRV, so I record everything in Analog.

    Thanks!
     
  4. windracer

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    The "unidirectional" device is the TiVo, really. Without a tuning adapter, the TiVo won't be able to tune into those channels that are switching to switched digital video. You only need a TA if you want to be able to watch/record those channels.
     
  5. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Okay, what makes TiVo unidirectional? In my brain, I see my TiVo receiving and sending, but apparently that's wrong. Why? And how is the BH DVR bidrectional as opposed to TiVo.:confused:

    BBC IFC, FLIX and Sundance are the only HD stations I like, so I'm POd. I don't want to give up MRV to get them, even though I just SPd Law and Order UK.

    I don't understand why TiVo's MRV functionality is so . . . minimal and restrictive. I'm willing to accede to the restrictions of only MRVing analog channels, and I feel stuck that if I have a fully functioning TV/TiVo with a TA, that I am not permitted to MRV anything. :thumbsdown:

    Have you heard if we will EVER get Verizon FIOS? Are we stuck with BH? TiVos won't work with Dish or Direct, correct?

    Thanks for educating me, WR!
     
  6. sbiller

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    CableCard (CC) makes the TiVo Unidirectional since CC is not able to communicate to the Cable Company head-end equipment over the cable coax. The Tuning Adapter (TA) solves this problem by providing a backchannel to the Cable Company head-end equipment effectively allowing TiVo to communicate bi-directionally.


    This is due to the Digital Rights Management restrictions associated with the way TiVo implements MRV functionality. This could be remedied in the near future by a software update to TiVo which will allow streaming of content instead of a copying of the entire program.
     
  7. windracer

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    True, but it was also my understanding that it's not the CableCARD itself that's unidirectional, but the way it was implemented. From wikipedia:

    Probably more detail than we need in this thread, though. ;)

    I used to check the Verizon FIOS site for availability (and signed up for notification) but have give up. I keep getting "high speed internet" offers from them in the mail but it's all DSL. No idea why they are not rolling out FIOS in Pinellas county. :confused:
     
  8. sbiller

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    I can't cite the specific news story or Verizon PR but I believe they stopped expanding FIOS a number of years back because they weren't getting the expected ROI on their current dark fiber.
     
  9. sbiller

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    Just received the same misleading letter via US mail that Windracer received. I decided to file a complaint to the FCC via their online submission form. My complaint stated,

     
  10. orangeboy

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    But wouldn't a Tuning Adapter be a "similar bi-directional device"?
     
  11. sbiller

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    In my view, Yes. Why wouldn't they just say "Tuning Adapter"? I think its an attempt to mislead a CC user in an attempt to move them back to a BHN STB.

    I did call BHN. After being transferred from Sales to Technical Support I was put on hold by the CSR for about 5 minutes. She finally got back on the line and told me what I already knew -- the letter didn't effect my ability to receive the channels listed in the letter. I asked her, "Why did I receive the letter?" She said it tied to the fact that I'm a CC user and they don't look at whether or not a user has a TA. She agreed with me that the letter was vague and could have been clearer about the use of a Tuning Adapter. She was actually pretty pleasant and was completely unaware of the additional channels moving to SDV.
     
  12. megory

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    Thanks, you all. Very educational.

    However, I still don't understand why adding a TA will prevent MRV of analog stations. Further, BH is now advertising that their latest DVRs permit all sorts of MRVing.

    So, we're SOL about Verizon. Is there ANY provider option that will use TiVo besides the very annoying BHN?
     
  13. tigre99

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    I just had the tuning adapter installed for the second time. The first one was very flaky. I am bit skeptical about self-installs. The tech I had was not very knowledgable, but the tuning adaptor needed to be "married" to the cable cards by having someone in tech support ping them..
     
  14. sbiller

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    Generally the tech's are pretty much incompetent when it comes to Cable Cards and Tuning Adapters. Self-installs with a bit of research prior to the install is all the consumer needs. TA's remain somewhat flaky although my two (2) TA's are much more reliable than they were 6 months ago probably due to firmware updates on both the TiVo side and the Cisco Side.
     
  15. lrhorer

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    Well, I don't know this for a fact, but it is possible your provider delivers digital versions of all the analog channels and that the TA forces you to receive the digital versions. I would not expect this to be the case, but it is possible. More specifically,I would expect the presence of a CableCard, with or without a TA, would force this. It is certainly the case here on TW Cable San Antonio.

    If true either way, and your provider sets the CI byte on everything, then indeed you will not be able to MRV those channels on an un-hacked TiVo.

    That's a different question.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean. Every CATV provider - or at least every major one - is required by law to support CableCard devices like the TiVo.
     
  16. sbiller

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    I'm currently paying $3.80 each for my TAs from BHN Tampa. Is this consistent with your cost?
     
  17. windracer

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    The TA is supposed to be free for the first year ... at least that's the deal I got when I got mine.
     
  18. sbiller

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    I'm going to call them tomorrow to see if they'll credit my account.
     
  19. sbiller

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    I spoke to BHN CSR this morning. They apologized for the miscommunication related to the TAs and agreed to credit my account for 3 months only for the TAs. After that they will revert to the $3.80/mo per TA. I'm still trying to better understand how the FCC guidelines allow them to charge for the TAs. The guidelines appear to be somewhat silent on the cost of the TAs. Another comment/complaint to the FCC may be in order.
     
  20. sbiller

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    Found this mandate in the FCC-10-181A1 rules,

    By charging me $3.80 per TA I don't believe they are truly offering an equivalent service price.
     

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