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Brighthouse Tampa - SDV coming!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by theaceman, Apr 17, 2009.

  1. windracer

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    The problem is related to the issue you had earlier in the year when BHN switched to broadcasting the digital HD channels on the old SD analogs. The DT can't play HD recordings and now everything you're recording on the THD is HD. :(
     
  2. megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Yes, that makes sense, that now BHN continues to prevent me from recording in the format I want (not HD) on one TV and allow it on another, and thus prevents me from the original TiVo Multi-room viewing. If it is broadcasting in analog on one, I really don't understand why I am prevented from receiving it on both. Is this a TiVo or a BHN restriction? Of course, BHN is in business to increase their profits not customer happiness.

    We have lifetime subscriptions to both TiVos, so I don't expect to put down a coupla thousand dollars for a new TiVo Roamios. Of course, if you're giving . . . I'll accept <g>
     
  3. JosephB

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    It's not a "restriction", they're not doing it to purposefully break your MRV. What is happening is they put a channel map in place on the cablecard so that when an HD-capable device attempts to tune the SD channel, the device tunes the HD feed instead. It actually has nothing to do with analog vs. digital, it has to do with SD vs. HD.

    They do this so that you get the highest quality picture your device is capable of. Unfortunately, you are in the situation that you are recording on an HD capable TiVo and trying to play back on a SD only TiVo. That's the downside to buying a "lifetime" subscription on a product like a TiVo. Technology progresses, and you're not guaranteed that it will work forever.
     
  4. windracer

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    Like JosephB said, they're not doing it to prevent MRV, but that's an unfortunate side-effect.

    The new Roamios are fantastic if it's something you want to consider. You could sell your Lifetimed boxes and put it towards a new six-tuner one. :) I sold my TiVo HDXL and put the proceeds towards a Roamio Pro and 2 Minis and am really happy with my new setup.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2013 #325 of 371
    megory

    megory Advanced TiVoOligan

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    Our new way around it is to record as much as possible on the 2DT and transfer to the HDTiVo <vbg> The 2DT records in analog (?) or at least at a minimal size and, when transferred to HDTiVo is approximately .90G and if the same show is recorded on HDTiVo, its minimum size is 6G (usually closer to 6.5G per show).

    We can store many of those shows on the HDTiVo at their original recorded size and then, if we want, retransfer back to little TiVo.
     
  6. Dec 2, 2013 #326 of 371
    megory

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    I removed the M card.

    When BHN changed to all digital for the analog stations (meaning each took about 6G instead of under 1G), the space on my 1T HDTiVo ran out too fast. Then, when we reconnected the 2DT, we couldn't MRV anything, because, duh, it was in digital and protected.

    But the little TiVo (2DT) was able to record programs in analog! So clearly, that signal was being sent out. I started recording on the little TiVo and transferring to the TiVoHD, but that was time consuming and labor-intensive.

    In my sleep, I wondered about the M card. What would happen if I removed it?

    So, that's what I did and now the TiVoHD just records the Analog channels (fine with us), small footprint per show, and the little TiVo can import from there now. MRV is restored.

    So, at least for now, problem is solved for us and our viewing preferences! Brava!
     
  7. Dec 2, 2013 #327 of 371
    JosephB

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    Eventually the analog channels will go away, though. TiVo should be able to control a DTA, so you won't be completely out of luck (and they'll be analog) though you'll be back to having to deal with IR blasters.
     
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    windracer

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    I did suggest that here, but keep in mind you've also lost all of the digital tier channels by removing the card.
     
  9. Dec 2, 2013 #329 of 371
    megory

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    Wow, you sure did, and I didn't get it! But thanks for planting the seed that, once I was able to see it, came to the fore, thinking it was original thought. It will work for us for now. You are a fount of information and I appreciate you! Thanks!

    FWIW, I recorded the same 2.5 hours last night on each set. The "little" (2DT) set recorded at appx. 1.5G and the HDtivo at 15G.

    As for the digital channels, we just don't record on them anyway. Only occasionally. Life is a series of tradeoffs. This makes me happy--for now.
     
  10. Dec 2, 2013 #330 of 371
    Dan203

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    Then explain why you are protecting everything when the content holders do not require it? If it's not to thwart TiVo users then what purpose does it serve? It's only hurting your customers.
     
  11. BHNtechXpert

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    Not getting into this discussion again...we've been through it a thousand times and nothing has changed since then. You want to discuss it with me call me sometime.
     
  12. Dan203

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    I'm not even one of your customers. But a lot of my customers are your customers, or TW customers, and are effected by this. Not just TiVo users either, but HTPC users.

    I understand when cable companies protect channels that require it, like HBO. I even kind of understand when the protect all premium channels. But what you guys, and TW, are doing seems unnecessary and only serves to hinder the customer's ability to watch the content when and where they want. All I can assume is that is exactly your intention. :thumbsdown:
     
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    And you know what they say about assuming things right? :)
     
  14. windracer

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    Then what's the real reason?
     
  15. Dan203

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    If you don't tell us otherwise then what else can we assume? There is no legal reason you have to do it. And it can't be a technical limitation because if it were then you'd also be flagging the local channels which is against the law. So provided you have the capability of flagging channels individually and flagging is not required by the majority of the content providers then why do you do it? The only thing I can think of is to intentionally block features like TiVoToGo and Stream downloading to prop up your own VOD and app offerings.
     
  16. igirl

    igirl Tivo and EyeTV User

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    I did a search and found some threads scattered all over - here, dslreports and beyond - but not the answer.

    If it's been asked and answered a thousand times, what's the stock FAQ answer for this? (just curious knowing nothing will likely change)
     
  17. unitron

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    I think the stock answer is that, just like with politicians, they ducked the question before, therefore they consider it to have been answered and it to be a closed subject and anyone who persists in asking is a just some anti-American radical malcontent.
     
  18. windracer

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    Is this a staged rollout? Because if the gift is indeed the removal of the CCI byte it's not working for me as I still cannot stream copy-protected shows to my iPhone on the TiVo app when away from my home wireless. :confused:
     

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