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Breaking Bad - S05E14 - 09/15/2013

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  1. Sep 16, 2013 #81 of 372
    JohnB1000

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    I'm still a bit worried that the final 2eps are going to be about Walt v Jack, but Jesse is still around to be involved. I really did think he was a goner for a moment there.

    I understand not immediately realizing what Walt was doing but after it went on and Skylar realized, it was just so obvious.
     
  2. Sep 16, 2013 #82 of 372
    BitbyBlit

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    And not only did he take the full blame for his operation, he took the blame for Hank and Gomez's deaths in order to keep the Aryan Brotherhood as far away from his family as possible.

    Unfortunately, there's this:

    Jesse left Marie out of what he confessed to the Brotherhood in order to protect her, but somehow I suspect there is going to be a conflict.

    Marie will probably be under protection from Walt when they try to break in, resulting in a shootout that could end up leading to her death. Either way, some from the Brotherhood might also end up dead, causing them to blame Walt, and go after his family. Perhaps that is what brings him back.

    I heard "let's cook".

    That scene was really well done. Not a single word from Jesse, and only one short phrase uttered by Todd. But so much was communicated.

    Walt Jr. broke bad in this episode. He told the police that his father had pulled a knife on his mom, but she was the one who had pulled it on Walt.

    I guess the only innocent character left is Holly.

    ...for now. :D
     
  3. Sep 16, 2013 #83 of 372
    jkeegan

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    By the way (yes there will be a tie-in),

    Just about a year ago I went down to Makerfaire NY 2012 to show off my RepRap (a 3D printer that can print copies of itself, because it's mostly made from 3D printed parts). I was an exhibitor and had a booth. I blogged about it here:

    Makerfaire NY 2012: Booth 8736 (My RepRap!)

    I'm going down again next weekend.. if anyone is near Queens and stops by, come see me in the 3D printing villiage (I'm booth #10895 this year).

    Why am I mentioning this, and why in this thread?

    Well, my RepRap blog is a year behind. So recently I've been blogging about things that led up to me going to Makerfaire last year, while preparing for Makerfaire this year. To do that, I've been looking through all of the photos that I took just about a year ago.

    The project I work on at work is called K0ALA. While driving down to New York from Boston, I stopped in a McDonalds to use their bathroom. While in that bathroom, I saw something that I just had to take a picture of.

    This is my pic, not from the show, but from my trip to NY last year:

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    :D Needless to say, when I saw that mid-episode, I almost flipped out.

    And here's a picture of it on the TV and it in this very post:

    [​IMG]

    :)
     
  4. Sep 16, 2013 #84 of 372
    jsmeeker

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    this is my main worry about the finale. It will be Walt vs. a character that had been fairly minor until very recently. A final showdown with Hank and the DEA/cops would have been great. Obviously, we can't see it with Hank. Maybe we can with DEA/cops. Maybe we will. But it seems like there will have to be a showdown with these dudes.

    Really, what I think would have been BEST is if the mafia guys from Mexico popped back up. Obviously, too late for that now. But it would have been cool to set that up very late in the first part of season 5, then have them show up in the early part of the second part of season 5. Some Salemanca family member that is still alive.
     
  5. Sep 16, 2013 #85 of 372
    Beryl

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    Just how many times in all seasons has Walt made and lost his fortune? It wasn't surprising when the Nazis took almost all of it.

    As much as I disdain "all things Todd", I'm finding him one of the most intriguing characters in the show. I mean, they have a fortune and could start a new life, as Walt tells them, yet he'd rather hone his newly acquired cooking skill. Also, I love the way he "plays" his uncle.
     
  6. Sep 16, 2013 #86 of 372
    jsmeeker

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    I think they are obligated to cook for the guys over in Europe and don't want to get on the wrong side of them

    With two episodes left, I suspect we won't get a glimpse of them. But that would be cool. That could have been another ending. The Europeans come over to see what is up with the quality of the product.
     
  7. Sep 16, 2013 #87 of 372
    jkeegan

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    Rewatching the phone call..

    Wow, Walt looks for confirmation that she gets it, right after "after I told you and told you to keep your damned mouth shut.. you stupid, stupid *****! how dare you"..

    (you can see it in his eyes)

    Then when she says "I'm sorry", there's a look in his eyes that good, she gets it, but I'm never going to see her again and I want to cry my eyes out but I'm handling this.. Then he lays it on even more thick.

    It kills Walt to say "You're never going to see Hank again".

    That phone call is one of the all time great scenes in this series.
     
  8. Sep 16, 2013 #88 of 372
    jkeegan

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    By the way, I loved how they were able to set up the ending of this show not needing words.. By having such a memorable scene with Jesse a few episodes back (finding that his drugs have been pick pocketed and not getting in the van), in front of such a memorable location, made this ending work completely without words.

    I agree with Vince Gilligan.. What an amazing episode.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2013 #89 of 372
    jsmeeker

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    I think a big part of the reason I got zoomed was because I was really focused on listening to the call and not really WATCHING the conversation.

    That, and trying to think of where Walt might be. Was he close? Was he watching the house, knowing that the cops were there? Some other location that we would recognize as being a threat to someone we know? that was what was going through my mind.
     
  10. Sep 16, 2013 #90 of 372
    BitbyBlit

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    Yeah. I cut them some slack for artistic license. The ultimate outcome (Hank and Gomez dead, not a scratch on the Brotherhood) was right even if more appeared to happen than should have.

    When they showed Walt seeing Jesse, I had some hope that Walt and Jesse might be able to reach some mutual understanding. Then when Walt told Jack that he still owned him Jesse's life, I thought he was up to some plan. But then he gave up Jesse's location, and I realized, "Nope. He really wants Jesse dead."

    I think this is the first time that Walt has ever ordered an execution. And whatever other justifications Walt has had for his previous actions, this was done out of nothing more than pure anger. When he couldn't have that, he had to settle for spite.

    I actually thought that Todd was going to trade Jesse's freedom for cooking. The incentive would be that Jesse would have the opportunity to get revenge against Walt. But threatening Andrea and Brock was better incentive, and perhaps Todd was being honest about his respect for Walt, and not just wanting him to live to make sure there was someone who could still help him cook.

    "Sorry for your loss."

    Indeed, Todd. Indeed.
     
  11. Sep 16, 2013 #91 of 372
    jkeegan

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    Ahh now the picture makes so much more sense. I missed that it was a threat to Jesse. I thought Todd just had the picture on the wall from when Walt told Jack&Co to watch Brock's house for Jesse. It felt a bit weird. There's my zoom for the episode. :)
     
  12. Sep 16, 2013 #92 of 372
    Azlen

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    I got the phone call but I got it from another direction. As I was listening I thinking "C'mon Walt you idiot. What you are saying is totally letting her off the hook." Then I saw the look on his face and was like "Whoa, he knows what he is doing, he is letting her off the hook." Had to rewatch to get the full effect. A truly amazing scene.
     
  13. Sep 16, 2013 #93 of 372
    jkeegan

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    Oh yeah, not that details like this matter anymore, but I remember thinking that Walt better throw away that lottery ticket (and any others he had), because that's now a particularly bad set of coordinates.. (Hank & Gomez's body). Now that he pretty much claimed for the police call that he did it, doesn't matter much now.
     
  14. Sep 16, 2013 #94 of 372
    JohnB1000

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    There are 10 dead prisoners who would disagree with your theory that Walt has never ordered an execution.
     
  15. Sep 16, 2013 #95 of 372
    JLucPicard

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    I haven't read beyond this post yet and I imagine someone else will suggest it, but I don't want to forget:

    Find one of the many replays and record it (meant in a very polite, 'you're going to want to see this' way)! I think you would much rather see it than just read about it. :up:
     
  16. Sep 16, 2013 #96 of 372
    jkeegan

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    Just checked - the captions say "Let's cook."
     
  17. Sep 16, 2013 #97 of 372
    MikeAndrews

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    Nah. Walt was doing everything he could to keep the knife away from Skyler, but that tool of Satan, Vince Gilligan showed us the cliche clutch with one fighter (Skyler) going still and the camera pulls back and they seperate and we see it's because he/she just got shot/stabbed.

    "Dad! What's going on? Stop and talk to me!"

    I was reminded of Butch coming back for his girl in Pulp Fiction. GET ON THE BIKE! We gonna die!

    What do you think those dudes could do with $70 million? That's more than Bin Laden could give to fund Al Qaida. There would be synagogues and African-American churches blowing up from coast to coast.

    I think it's right that Walt takes on the Aryan army to not only get his money but to free Jesse from indentured servitude. Then Jesse survives.

    I still say there was a preview scene of somebody in the yellow chem suit getting torched. I'll bet Jesse sets up Todd for a barbeque.

    I hope Todd lets Jesse wear the protective equipment

    For me it's the dogs.

    15 minutes in, I get barked at by the girl who will bark when her bother needs to go. HUSH!

    Bark, bark, bark!

    Pause. "OK, OK, OK you wanna go out?"

    I drag my azz up let em' out.

    The boy runs and does his business. The girl doesn't like that it's still wet outside.

    "OK. INSIDE!"

    10 more minutes of Breaking Bad.

    Bark, bark, bark!

    The doggie critical show detector is working better than ever.

    I let her out - again. She's acting like she's afraid of the dark. Eventually success.


    Ya think Koala Kare likes the product placement? Koala Kare The #1 choice of maniac criminal kidnapper Dad's everywhere!
     
  18. Sep 16, 2013 #98 of 372
    JLucPicard

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    My comment is nothing about the show at all, but pretty darn good first post for someone who's been a member for nearly seven years! Welcome (if that's the appropriate salutation)! :)
     
  19. Sep 16, 2013 #99 of 372
    BitbyBlit

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    Although I argued against Walt's responsibility for the shootout, I definitely hold him responsible for putting Andrea and Brock on the Aryan Brotherhood's radar. That might be another reason he's back in town. He might hate Jesse, but perhaps he feels some obligation to protect them.

    I think of all the people on the show, I feel the most sorry for Andrea and Brock. First Andrea's brother gets killed, then she has to go into hiding, then Brock gets poisoned, then Jesse breaks up with her so he can keep cooking, and now she and Brock are targeted by the Aryan Brotherhood.

    They are completely innocent in all of this, but keep getting used as pawns in other people's games.

    This episode was great because it not only showed Walt's family destroyed because of his actions, but the closest thing Jesse had to a family potentially being destroyed because of his.

    Walt was ready to turn himself in, thinking, "Okay, fine. I will pay for my actions." Jesse was ready to die, thinking, "Okay, fine. This is my punishment for my sins."

    But it finally hit home with both of them that the consequences of their actions would be something worse than their own suffering.
     
  20. BitbyBlit

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    What I meant was ordering someone to be executed right in front of him.

    Before, he was more like Lydia: "Do what needs to be done. I don't want to see it."

    He asked Jesse to kill Gale. He rigged Tio's wheelchair to kill Gus. He had the Aryan Brotherhood arrange the deaths of the 10 prisoners. And the hit on Jesse was already in place before he asked the Brotherhood to kill him in this episode.

    All of those times he had a justification for some external force pressuring him to take action.

    But in this episode, I think he wanted Jesse killed simply because he wanted him to die. And he wanted to watch.
     

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