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Breaking Bad - S05E13 - To'hajiilee

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by GoPackGo, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. Sep 9, 2013 #101 of 374
    jkeegan

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    DAMN IT.. Damned email alerts about the thread. They showed that spoiler in visible text. Grrrr. Don't click.
     
  2. Sep 9, 2013 #102 of 374
    Azlen

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    Which is why networks are putting hashtags on everything. They want people to watch it live. They want people to sit through the ads. Networks love it when their shows are spoiled online after airing.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2013 #103 of 374
    JohnB1000

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    I fail to understand the point in people posting spoilers, I just don't get what is gained.

    Someone pointed out that they made a pretty clear point of Gomie collecting the car keys.

    The more I think about that shootout (and to a lesser extent the fact that Walt had the lottery ticket - why did he have it on him ?) the more annoyed I become about this episode.

    However I try to remember that it seemed that Walt being caught was going to be the end of the episode and really had me trying to figure out how it was going to be resolved, so the tension/power of the episode still holds up - I suppose.

    I also can't remember any humor or stress relief moments in this episodes.

    For the end of the show I still say Jesse has to survive since it's a show about Walt and Jesse (to the last ep at least) and I suspect that Jesse somehow is going to come out ahead. I think it's going to end with something to do with Jack's gang and/or the Czech's, which is somehow disappointing to me, because they are basically new and somewhat undeveloped groups of characters.
     
  4. Sep 9, 2013 #104 of 374
    TAsunder

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    Still catching up on the thread, but I will say I was really impressed with where they ended the episode. A lesser show would have ended it with the guys pointing their guns at each other, before anyone open fired. Their choice to end it in the middle of the gunfight surprised me and put a smile on my face.
     
  5. Sep 9, 2013 #105 of 374
    betts4

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    Walt Jr. and Saul in the car wash was as close as they came to some humor I think.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2013 #106 of 374
    Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Re: The Lottery Ticket

    It makes total sense to me that he grabbed it from the house after Jesse was there, to keep it safe. Because he's operating in "survival mode" right now he hasn't had a chance to put the ticket in a new, secure location for Skylar.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2013 #107 of 374
    TAsunder

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    He thinks he is dying. It makes sense for him to document where the money is either for his family or in case of chemo or cancer-induced brain troubles. I don't know why he brought it with him, but Bryanmc's makes sense to me. It certainly didn't seem completely preposterous.
     
  8. Sep 9, 2013 #108 of 374
    whitson77

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    I scanned my feed and didn't see a one. You must have lots of friends who break the rules! :)
     
  9. Sep 9, 2013 #109 of 374
    dswallow

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    Yeah, that. I also wondered if there'd be something about Jesse saying the money was burning in nice orange flames that Walt would've fallen back on to figure out Jesse wasn't burning money. I guess I was figuring that somehow Walt would figure out from the conversation some clue, but the writers chose a different path.
     
  10. Sep 9, 2013 #110 of 374
    bsnelson

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    Definitely. But, see, with him, you don't know if he wants to f**k her, or f**k her up. As much of teh crazy as that guy has, it could be both, and I'm not certain of the order, either.

    Great episode! About Walt being all to eager to confess on the phone, I think that's because he's wanting to do anything he can to protect the money, and that's the best he can think of while driving twice the speed limit on small and/or dirt roads in his big honkin' 425HP sedan. :)

    Brad
     
  11. Sep 9, 2013 #111 of 374
    jsmeeker

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    Jesse will survive the shootout. Of course, that may mean Todd's uncle and the rest may have to die. Not quite sure how that happens. But it seems like these guys are bent on killing Jesse, even if Walt tried to wave them off.

    Hank has gotta be toast. But i was expecting him to eventually die at the hands of Walt.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2013 #112 of 374
    Bryanmc

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    My speculation for Walt's big gun usage:

    I think it's becoming clear, to me, that the big show down is going to be with the Aryan gang and Walt. They need him to fix the cook and are going to threaten his family in order to get him to capitulate. Walt and family will flee town and Walt returns to finish them off and save his family before he dies of cancer.
     
  13. Sep 9, 2013 #113 of 374
    JohnB1000

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    My comment on your speculation

    and that's kind of what I was getting at earlier. All this build up between Hank and Jesse and Walt then the final shootout is with the peripheral Aryan gang ?
     
  14. Sep 9, 2013 #114 of 374
    BitbyBlit

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    He wasn't trying to protect his money; he was trying to protect his life. He thought Jesse was trying to get him alone to kill him.

    Once he realized that it was Hank and Gomez who were with Jesse, he called off the attack.

    The question was asked in an earlier thread when Walt had sacrificed anything for his family.

    He did so when he killed the thugs for Jesse, he did so when he was willing to turn himself in so that Skyler and the kids could get the money, and he did so in this episode. He was willing to turn himself in and give up all his money so that Hank wouldn't die.

    So while he obviously cares a lot about the money, he has demonstrated that he still cares for his family, including extended family, more. And I believe he was being honest with Jesse when he told him that burning the money was hurting his family more than him because the money was ultimately for them. I think Walt cares about the money not as wealth in and of itself (i.e., greed), but in relation to how much he cares about his family. He cares about the money only because he wants it to be available to them.

    Plus, it only takes one dead area to drop a call, even if most of the area is still covered. And since Walt was able to make a call from the site, we know Jesse could have had he actually been there.

    And, as Hank pointed out, he didn't even realize that the dirt was different.

    I thought it was a perfect way to demonstrate Walt unraveling. His old methodical self would have been far more careful, but he is changing.

    The fact that he buried the money in a location familiar to Jesse also likely contributed to the believability of Jesse's story. There was probably the question lingering in his subconscious mind, "What if Jesse happened to find my money?"
     
  15. Sep 9, 2013 #115 of 374
    betts4

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    I can see this happening.
    What would really be awesome if just somehow Jesse and Walt teamed up to do this. Just one more time working together. One more "yo, science" but in a good way.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2013 #116 of 374
    betts4

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    Good point. Walt called it off when Hank was in real danger, not just a threat to him.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2013 #117 of 374
    brianric

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    I'm a big fan of Survivor and regularly discuss with a co-worker the next day on what went on. Well, one morning I got called in to work at 1 AM, so I didn't see the recorded show. I hung up signs all over the work area saying "Shut up Glen, I did not get a chance to see last night's Survivor". :D
     
  18. Sep 9, 2013 #118 of 374
    DougF

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    I can't see Marie writing "Heisenberg" on the wall. I don't think she's the trasher. My vote is the Nazi gang, though I would think they'd do a lot more damage.
     
  19. Sep 9, 2013 #119 of 374
    BitbyBlit

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    It could also have been the DEA. I doubt they would write "Heisenberg" on the wall, but that might have come after the house was already abandoned and in disarray.

    If Hank and/or Gomez dies, and it seems likely that at least one of them will, that will get the DEA's attention. Marie knows about Walt, so even if Hank and Gomez aren't available to talk to the DEA, they can find out about Walt from her.

    The DEA might then bust into Walt's house, and trash it looking for evidence.

    We saw that the house was fenced off and boarded up, and I doubt anyone other than an institution of authority would have done that.
     
  20. Sep 9, 2013 #120 of 374
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    Saul at the car wash.
     

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