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Breaking Bad - S05E13 - To'hajiilee

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by GoPackGo, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. Sep 9, 2013 #41 of 374
    betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    As Walt was hiding in the rocks I thought about what Jesse said to Hank and Gomie. With Walt, everything you think will happen, the exact opposite happens.This proves that once again.

    Jesse's face when Hank was putting the cuffs on him was this weird happy almost smile.
     
  2. Sep 9, 2013 #42 of 374
    jsmeeker

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    Oh, hell yeah!!!



    Cowboys win.


    Then I watch this



    Eff yeah..
     
  3. Sep 9, 2013 #43 of 374
    Bryanmc

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    Man, not only should Hank and Gomez been killed instantly, the crew sure isn't being too careful with the vehicle Walt's in. Seems like they'd try a little harder not to accidentally whack him.
     
  4. Sep 9, 2013 #44 of 374
    SocratesJohnson

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    Pretty sloppy for Walt to bury the money in the same place Jessie and him cooked in the RV. Like Gomi said, there's a whole lot of desert.
     
  5. Sep 9, 2013 #45 of 374
    betts4

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    Next episode: (not a real spoiler, just in my mind) we see Walt pry the handcuff keys from Hanks dead hands, uncuff himself then run into the desert and take his pants off.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2013 #46 of 374
    JohnB1000

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    It was incredibly tense and overall an outstanding episode but to repeat what people said above the shootout was 100% unbelievable, I suspect Hank is going to survive. Lined up shots, Hank and Gomie in the open, powerful weapons and they are not even hit, yet the shoot at the car Walt is in despite desperately needing him. Ultimately it has kind of ruined the episode for me.

    There were some other weak points too.

    * Walt going to Brock's house, what do you think she would think when Jesse shows up dead, murdered, soon after (Though I guess he could disappear but I still think she would look for him)
    * The, I assume, directors choice to have Jesse's voice on the phone call be clear as day. I understand why they did it but it took me right out of the moment.

    BTW. How did they track hank. They surely couldn't have got his GPS without a warrant.

    But to be clear, I still am engrossed in the story but the first episode of this final run was so outstanding that the rather obvious flaws kind of leave me feeling let down.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2013 #47 of 374
    john4200

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    The show had been portraying Walt as being willing to do anything to protect his family and his money. But now Walt calls off the hit team because Hank is there. So it seems Walt is not willing to do anything after all. He draws the line at killing his brother-in-law and another DEA agent.

    Also, Walt seemed dumbed down this episode. As soon as he realized Jesse was not there, it would have been smart to get back in his car and get out of there. Failing that, Walt could have told his backup to create a distraction so Walt could slip away. Or at least explained that there were a couple DEA agents if Walt really wanted them to not come. Even coming out from behind the rock was dumb (make them search!), and coming out with the gun in his hand was even dumber.
     
  8. Sep 9, 2013 #48 of 374
    SocratesJohnson

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    Hank has planted a GPS on Walt's car before...
     
  9. Sep 9, 2013 #49 of 374
    john4200

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    It did seem that they implied they tracked his cell phone, but I agree, that should require a warrant. I cannot believe Gomez would go along with an illegal cell phone trace.
     
  10. Sep 9, 2013 #50 of 374
    BitbyBlit

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    I disagree.

    If "setting things in motion" qualifies for culpability, then Jesse is responsible for coming up with the plan in the first place as well as manipulating Walt into that situation. The only reason Walt called Todd's gang was because he thought Jesse was showing up to kill him. Had he realized before then that Jesse was working with Hank, he never would have called them. He knew that Hank would not kill him, and he wasn't willing to kill Hank.

    Hank is responsible for not involving the DEA. Had he involved them, he would have had additional backup. Instead, he unlawfully kidnapped someone, and used a DEA safe house and agent for his own personal agenda.

    Gomez is responsible for going along with Hank instead of going to the DEA. And he was the one doing all of Hank's "dirty work".

    They all put themselves in danger, and of all the people involved in the shootout, Walt is the least responsible for that happening.

    The big problem I had with that was that I was back to questioning why he had bothered memorizing the numbers. I think they would have been better off showing him looking at the GPS coordinates, and then cutting straight to the lottery ticket on the fridge. Either that, or show him struggling memorizing the numbers, then cut to the lottery ticket on the fridge.

    Now that we know that he didn't have them memorized, the whole memorize number --> smash GPS --> buy lottery ticket sequence doesn't really make much sense. Would driving to the store with a piece of paper with the "lottery numbers" written on them really have been that much more dangerous than driving from the store with the actual ticket?
     
  11. Sep 9, 2013 #51 of 374
    JETarpon

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    Also, if he's got the numbers on him, and something happens to him, Skylar will never find the money.
     
  12. Sep 9, 2013 #52 of 374
    betts4

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    And after all that bit with the lottery ticket and GPS, they were really just right back to where they started from. Jesse recognized it right away. Did Walt really NEED the GPS to get back there.
     
  13. Sep 9, 2013 #53 of 374
    Hank

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    No, but he definitely needed it to tell the Arian gang where to go.
     
  14. Sep 9, 2013 #54 of 374
    betts4

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    The Albuquerque nazi guys need to go back to the range for shooting practice.
     
  15. Sep 9, 2013 #55 of 374
    BitbyBlit

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    That part I actually don't have a problem with. He might know how to drive there, but in order to communicate the location to someone else such as Skyler or Todd's gang, he would need the coordinates.

    The next question then is, "Why did he have the ticket on him if he didn't need it?"

    But that could be explained by him taking the ticket off the fridge after Jesse's attempt to burn down his house. He likely intended to find some other way to keep it safe, but hadn't figured out exactly how to go about that yet. So for the meantime, keeping it on him was the safest place.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2013 #56 of 374
    Beryl

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    I guess the kid was responsible for his own poisoning and Walt has nothing to do with any of carnage around him. Got it.
    This cracked me up. We haven't seen him in his tighty whities for an entire episode.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2013 #57 of 374
    BitbyBlit

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    I don't think you did get it. I was responding to your comment about blaming Walt for all fatalities in the shootout. I didn't say anything about Brock's poisoning. Walt is 100% to blame for Brock's poisoning.

    In fact, the only reason Walt isn't 100% to blame for Brock's poisoning is if we are allowed to blame people for "setting things in motion". In that case, Jesse is responsible for attempting to kill the two thugs who were working for Gus, which caused Walt to defend him, which turned Gus against Walt, which caused Gus to try to turn Jesse against Walt, which made Walt desperate enough to poison Brock to get Jesse back on his side.

    All of that was set in motion because Jesse wanted revenge. What Walt "set in motion" was only in fear for his life. In fact, most of what Walt has set in motion has been in fear for his or his family's life.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2013 #58 of 374
    whitson77

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    There is no way Gomez and Hank make it. Looks like Jesse slips away hopefully. That last 10 minutes was tense. You knew they were coming...
     
  19. Sep 9, 2013 #59 of 374
    jkeegan

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    Replying before I catch up because this had me laughing..

    Hank dies, Marie goes ballistic, and THAT is who Walt bought the machine gun to handle. :)

    Ok, back to reading..
     
  20. Sep 9, 2013 #60 of 374
    jkeegan

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    I was 80% sure that Walt had lost a signal talking to Jesse, then would realize that he had no signal, and that Jesse couldn't have a signal way out there in the desert either, and realize he was being played.

    I thought he would stop the car right on that bend, figure it out, and then drive somewhere else.
     

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