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Breaking Bad - S05E13 - To'hajiilee

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by GoPackGo, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    I predict a bullet through Hank's melon before we break to initial credits (or whatever the term for that is).
  2. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    And in so doing completely devalued it's already tenuous concept.
  3. PotentiallyCoherent

    PotentiallyCoherent Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    If only there was some sort of device, or contraption, or method to allow one to be smug.
  4. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    You forgot the smiley. :cool:
  5. BitbyBlit

    BitbyBlit .

    Aug 25, 2001
    Actually, my argument wasn't that we could go back further than the phone call; it was just the opposite. My argument was more, "If the phone call makes Walt responsible for the shootout, then why stop there?"

    Walt's responsibility for the shootout was that he enabled the gang to find the place by giving them the coordinates. But he did so when he was in fear for his life, and called them off as soon as he realized what was going on. How is it his fault that they ignored his request, and showed up anyway?

    At this point, it's clear that he no longer has control over them, and they likely are the ones who are trying to take control. The fact that they weren't careful about not hitting Walt's vehicle shows how much they cared about Walt's "authority". Walt had become nothing more than a means to an end by that point.

    I don't see the phone call as being that much different than the gang planting some sort of tracking device on Walt's vehicle, and then following him there. In both cases, Walt wouldn't want them there, but they would come anyway, ignoring his wishes.

    If that makes Walt responsible for the shootout, then there are plenty of "ends justify the means" actions that Jesse, Hank, and Gomez took in the chain of events leading to that point that I think qualifies them more.
  6. PotentiallyCoherent

    PotentiallyCoherent Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Why would I use a smiley?
  7. T-Wolves

    T-Wolves Information Junkie

    Aug 22, 2000
    Maybe she's already got a team tracking them, just waiting for a good opportunity to take them out. I'm just trying to think of a logical way that Hank/Gomie/Jesse could survive. None of the other major characters seemed to be a possibility. The other possibility I thought of is Walt agreeing to cook full-time for Todd's uncle if they let Hank/Gomie/Jessie(?) go. But they'd have to stop shooting long enough for Walt to suggest it.
  8. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    That might be the answer. Or at least cook for them long enough to teach Todd how to do it better, then he would get killed. Hey, maybe Hank, Gomie and Jesse are held hostage while Walt cooks.
  9. PotentiallyCoherent

    PotentiallyCoherent Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    I guess that's possible, as anything is. I think it's an extreme longshot though.
  10. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Whoosh! :cool:
  11. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    Jan 17, 2002
    What lottery has numbers that go up to 150?

    That's a lotta ping pong balls.
  12. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

    May 31, 2000
    Boston, MA
    I like this idea. But with only a few eps left, it could be hard to cram in all that AND have an ending like the flash-forwards.
  13. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW TCF Club

    May 31, 2000
    Boston, MA

    We covered this already. It's a "Pick 3" game.

    Pick 3 single digit numbers. Repeat 5 times.
  14. MonsterJoe

    MonsterJoe ♪♫♪♪♫♪♫♫♪

    Feb 19, 2003
    Central MA
    the number go up to nine.
  15. dtle

    dtle Active Member

    Dec 12, 2001
    Fram, MA
    My only knowledge of guns is from Hollywood. How does "power" (I'm assuming penetration power) help if you're missing your target? Also, wouldn't a more powerful gun would be less accurate, because of more recoil?
  16. Dmtalon

    Dmtalon I love Tivo...

    Dec 27, 2003
    I thought that the blue tint came from them having to change some of the chemicals out when they ran out of what they had (the stuff in the 55gal drums they stole from that warehouse).

    Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure someone will)
  17. Marco

    Marco Loyal Little

    Sep 19, 2000
    Capital of...
    Very much agree.
  18. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I assume power means 2 things: how far the bullet will travel and how many bullets you can fire. With a machine gun that has power, it's hard to miss since you just spray your bullets in the general vicinity of the target and a decent percentage will hit the target.

    There is no way to miss with the kind of guns some of the nazis were using.

    Recoil is not an issue here.
  19. MonsterJoe

    MonsterJoe ♪♫♪♪♫♪♫♫♪

    Feb 19, 2003
    Central MA
    The guy had an assault rifle with a scope, right? ...and he fired the first shot, right? Presumably he had someone in his sights. There's no way he should have missed by accident.

    Some people should not have guns.
  20. 3D

    3D Member

    Oct 9, 2001
    Plantation, FL.
    But I didn't say Walt was solely at fault, I just disagreed with the comment that he was the least at fault. Granted, the Aryans themselves are arguably more at fault because they came even after being instructed not to. I don't think, however, that Walt is absolved for calling them in the first place just because he changed his mind. He called the Aryans and told them to come to that spot and be ready to kill. They did just that. That he had a change of mind does not erase that he alerted these psychpaths to the situation in the first place (and Walt could have no doubt of the type of people he was dealing with, see dead bicycle boy as exhibit A). He's no less at fault as a guy who hires someone to kill his wife, changes his mind, and the wife still gets killed. At this point we are back at whether Walt was justified in making the call in the first place because he reasonably feared for his life and had no other choice. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on our respective opinions on that one. :)

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