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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by GoPackGo, Sep 8, 2013.
BA HA HA!
Maybe that will be the ultimate lesson of BB-that Jesse is the smartest one of all!
No doubt, but if it's internal and completely hidden, he'd have no reason to even suspect there's a GPS on board. If he suspected it, he'd either find it, or ask about it and then move on. But I'm saying, he would not even suspect a hidden/internal GPS in a white rental van.
Technically, it's a Chrysler...
You could tell it wasn't the Strike Back guys because the dialog was more than F!, f!, F!, move!, F!, f!, move move!, coming! f! F! F! F! F! F! cover me!
Well, unlike Hawaii 5-O, there isn't much gratuitous product placement of vehicles, so....
The one thing I found interesting was the parallel storylines of Walt and Jesse using what they think is most important to the other to draw them out. For Walt, it was the money. For Jesse, it was Brock. Both tried to prey on the others weakness, but Jesse's is clearly the more noble.
And, obviously, I was wrong, and Jesse just went after the money to take down Mr White "Where he lives". I think taking down his reputation would have been more interesting, but it's not the path they chose and so I guessed wrong.
It'd be hilarious if the Lottery ticket turned out to be a jackpot winner.
"You like Fruit Loops?" even without Lilly of Valley in it?
It was a Pick-3 ticket, so it would only win $500.
100th person to say that yet no prize
The reason Walt ordered the hit on Jesse in the first place was because he thought Jesse was threatening his family. Jesse broke into his house, and was going to burn it down. Then he told Walt that that he was going to get him where he really lived. Yes, Walt obviously was also worried about the money. But given that he told Skylar that he was willing to turn himself in, and that he actually was willing to turn himself in to Hank, clearly money wasn't the most important thing to him. He was worried about the money primarily because his family wouldn't be able to get it.
So no, I didn't forget that Walt had ordered the hit on Jesse. And he is definitely responsible for that. But just because he is responsible for that bad thing and other bad things such as poisoning Brock, that doesn't make him responsible for all bad things that happen around him.
The fact remains that of all the people at the shootout, the only one manipulated into being there was Walt.
But he was still hidden at that point. He could have stayed hidden until they showed up.
I think he knew that Hank was, which was why he gave Hank the "confession". I suppose Gomez being there might have given him pause that perhaps Hank had eventually decided to come forward. But I think the fact that it was just them two and Jesse made it clear that they were on their own. I doubt the DEA would have let Jesse (or Hank for that matter!) ride out to the location like that. And once they found the spot, there would have been no reason for all the other agents to still remain hidden. They would have shown up, and started spreading out to search for Walt.
From Walt's point of view, Jesse had no way of knowing that he had even buried the money, let alone that it was in the desert in those kinds of barrels. The only plausible explanation in Walt's mind for Jesse having that knowledge was because he had found the money. So it didn't matter how plausible Jesse's explanation was for how he had found it; it only mattered how plausible the "evidence" was that the money had been found.
The notion that Jesse had worked with Hank to fake his death in order to get a captured Huell to give the details of the barrels and rental company had not entered the realm of even the remotest possibility to Walt.
That, combined with Jesse's threat of burning the money (another brilliant part of the plan), forced Walt to act too quickly to really think things through. Jesse and Hank both knew how methodical Walt was, and thus they knew that the best way to get him to make a mistake was to force him to act quickly.
And you know this how?
Sad this ended up in a ridiculous shootout. I was hoping this episode would end better than that. I guess we'll see how they start out next episode. I can't see Jesse and Walt NOT being taken hostage by the Aryans to resume cooking, unless Jesse gets killed. But then they wouldn't have built it up like he was going to escape out the back of the car.
I only got like 5 minutes to fast forward through to the end of the episode last night (not a full rewatch) - I just wanted to see the shootout scene.
The "music"/audio leading up to the shooting was pretty tense. Overall it felt better than the descriptions here of its implausibility would suggest.
That lottery Ticket is so going to win.
I guess we just disagree on how far back you have to go to start laying blame for the shootout. I would look strictly look at the phone call. Once you start going back beyond that, you can always argue to go further. Thus, you think that Jesse trying to burn down the house was the first chain in the link, I would counter with Jesse was reacting to what Walt did to Brock. We can go back and forth all the way to the beginning of the series. To me, Walt made the phone call rather than get back in his car and high tail it out of there, so he's the most to blame and certainly not the least. However, based on your reasoning, I will take back my original statement that I disagree with your assessment as much as anything I've read. I still disagree, but can see where you're coming from.
The reason they used the lottery ticket in this episode was simply for ease of quick explanation for the viewers. If they had Walt reciting the coordinates over the phone from memory, you'd have some idiot viewers not understanding what was going on. So in order show how Walt can so quickly know the coordinates, they have him pull out the ticket. Picture is worth a thousand words.
Couple of thoughts:
I think Jessie had a second thought (good way) about Walt after Walt tried to warn Hank.
Hank and Gomie obviously didn't go there looking for a shootout or they would have brought more guns and ammo (or even a team). I don't think that the SUV was a "company" vehicle in that it would have had things like a couple of full auto AR-15s in the back.
How does she know where they are? How is she aware of the situation?
My thoughts too.
Along with a bit of "who cares?". The last minute a family has together is often quite random and uneventful.