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Breaking Bad S05E07 "Say My Name" OAD 08/26/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by TheMerk, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Aug 27, 2012 #81 of 328
    mike_k

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    I just don't get how the lawyer can flip on Mike. They made it clear that he wasn't Mike's lawyer, but he seemed to be operating in that capacity - with Mike being a client. Is attorney-client privilege lost when the attorney is caught doing something illegal? Doesn't seem right.
     
  2. Aug 27, 2012 #82 of 328
    Hank

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    The DEA said that that lawyer was representing the Legacy 9, but not Mike.

    That doesn't mean that the lawyer wasn't employed by Mike outside of the DEA investigation. So yea, he would still be under A-C privilege. But I guess the DEA can break that? I don't know.
     
  3. Aug 27, 2012 #83 of 328
    DeDondeEs

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    That was great when Mike's lawyer was in the vault and they zoomed out or cut to the DEA agents standing there in the doorway. This is one of those shows where I am rooting for both the bad and good guys.
     
  4. Aug 27, 2012 #84 of 328
    danterner

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    Wow, great episode. RIP, Mike.

    As soon as Walt pointed out Jesse as being one of the best cooks in the country, I thought we were going to have a redux of the Gus flashback where Gus' partner got shot in the head at the poolside by the Don. "We don't need two cooks." Jesse (or Walt) was lucky to walk away from that meeting alive.
     
  5. Aug 27, 2012 #85 of 328
    DevdogAZ

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    It's pretty simple, actually. By Gomie and his buddies walking in while the lawyer was there with nine boxes unlocked, they've now got reason to believe that anyone with access to those nine boxes is receiving illegal payments. When it just so happens that those nine people are the exact same nine people that used to work for Fring and that the DEA has been squeezing, it's going to be pretty obvious what's going on. Then they'll get court order to force the bank to disclose all the boxes that lawyer has ever had access to. Once they find the money designated for Kaylee, and knowing that they previously found an account in Mike's granddaughter's name, it won't be very difficult to figure that one out either.

    And when you add to it the fact that the lawyer decided to testify against Mike, it all adds up to Kaylee not getting a dime.
     
  6. Aug 27, 2012 #86 of 328
    SeanC

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    Regarding the DEA and accessing the safety deposit boxes:

    I think it depends on how the lawyer setup the box rentals.

    If he set them up in the client's names, the 9 and Cayle, then I think the DEA would have to get warrants for each box on it's merits.

    The 9 guys in jail? I'm sure the DEA can demonstrate probable cause. Cayle Ehrmantraut? Not so much.
     
  7. Aug 27, 2012 #87 of 328
    Hank

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    I think that's what they call "Circumstantial Evidence"
     
  8. Aug 27, 2012 #88 of 328
    uncdrew

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    I was wondering that too, as you'd like the little girl to get the money.

    But as the DEA cleans up that aspect, they'll certainly discover all the boxes that the attorney opened, and one will be the girl's. :(
     
  9. Aug 27, 2012 #89 of 328
    nataylor

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    Gomez said the lawyer was going to flip on Mike. There's no reason to believe that doesn't include telling them about the big box, including who it was for and where he got the money.
     
  10. Aug 27, 2012 #90 of 328
    Hank

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    But there's also no reason to believe that he does include telling them about the big box. It works both ways.
     
  11. Aug 27, 2012 #91 of 328
    uncdrew

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    Not that I know, but when you flip you pretty much babble about everything. The more you tell, the more useful you were. And the more (you hope) your sentence goes down.
     
  12. Aug 27, 2012 #92 of 328
    nataylor

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    The more he tells them, the more value he has and the less his chance of being prosecuted for anything. So I'd say its certainly more likely than not he will tell them.
     
  13. Aug 27, 2012 #93 of 328
    DevdogAZ

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    Not when combined with the lawyer's testimony.
    Except that Saul stated later in the episode that the money had been confiscated by the DEA.

    Just like the "spoiler" in last week's podcast, I don't understand why we're even talking about this.
     
  14. Aug 27, 2012 #94 of 328
    Hank

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    Right, but there's plenty to tell about the Legacy 9 and Mike without talking about Cayle's box. The DEA was hot for nailing Mike (and the 9 crew), which is exactly what they got. If I were the lawyer, I would only tell them what they wanted to know. He is a lawyer, after all and knows the system. He's the same guy that went around with Mike to the Legacy 9 in jail and covered his ears during Mike's conversations. So he's no dummy when it comes to plausible deniability.
     
  15. Aug 27, 2012 #95 of 328
    Hank

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    But that was a very vague comment. I believe he was talking about the balance of the $5million still left to distribute that the attorney was storing/distributing. Not including Cayle's box of cash.
     
  16. Aug 27, 2012 #96 of 328
    DevdogAZ

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    Except that Saul said that Mike's "nest egg" had been taken twice. The first time, they took his nest egg by confiscating the money that was in the account designated for Kaylee. This time, the money that the lawyer was holding wasn't for Mike. It was already designated for the Legacy 9. So for the DEA to take Mike's "nest egg" a second time, it had to be Kaylee's money again.
     
  17. Aug 27, 2012 #97 of 328
    Hank

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    Don't think so. The hazard pay was just a portion of the $5 million. Cayle's share was another portion. Mike's portion was the net of those two, which I assume, along with the hazard pay, the lawyer was holding for Mike so it wouldn't turn up in any search warrants on Mike's assets or property.

    Mike's "nest egg" wouldn't be Cayle's box of cash.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2012 #98 of 328
    john4200

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    It does not matter whether the lawyer volunteered information about Kaylee's box. When the DEA presents the search warrant to the bank, the bank would open all of the boxes that the lawyer has access to. That includes Kaylee's box. With the note, the DEA people would obviously recognize Kaylee as Mike's granddaughter and things would proceed from there. It could be traced to Mike even if the lawyer did not give up the information once the DEA found the box and asked him about it (which he almost surely would have).

    I cannot believe I actually have to type this out, I would have thought it was obvious.
     
  19. Aug 27, 2012 #99 of 328
    Hank

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    I'm still not so sure it's so obvious. There's no physical audit trail of the boxes the clerk opened for the lawyer. In fact, she only remembered 8 out of the 9 of them correctly, but messed up on the last box. The lawyer had to remind her of the correct 9th box number. Then he threw in the tenth box "I've got a new one for you" (Cayle's box). It's quite possible that she might not remember them all when the DEA comes in with a warrant, especially under pressure.
     
  20. thebigmo

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    All the DEA needs is the key ring the lawyer had with all the keys to all the boxes. They don't need the bank lady to remember all of them.
     

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