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Breaking Bad S05E07 "Say My Name" OAD 08/26/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by TheMerk, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. wouldworker

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    Circumstantial evidence is as valid as direct evidence. Let's say that Todd didn't shoot the kid at the train robbery. The kid rides home and tells someone that he saw three men with a pump after the train pulled away. The cops investigate and discover that the methylmine has been diluted. They discover the tank buried in the ground near the tracks. The kid's testimony that these three guys were near the train with a pump is circumstantial because he didn't see them actually pumping out the methylmine. The fact that the methylmine is diluted is circumstantial (it would be direct evidence except that you can't prove that it wasn't diluted at some other point in the train's journey). The fact that there is a tank large enough to hold the missing methylmine right where the kid said he saw the men is circumstantial. All of your evidence is circumstantial but when you put it together you will easily convict those three men of robbing the methylmine (assuming that the kid IDs them).

    Circumstantial evidence got a bad reputation from lawyer shows on TV, but it makes up the majority of evidence in many successful convictions. You won't hear "Objection! Circumstantial" in any courtroom except for on TV.
     
  2. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    This deserves its own thread...


    :D
     
  3. Elmo Blatch

    Elmo Blatch New Member

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    Does Hank necessarily believe the cover story about blackjack? I'm not so sure.

    Hank does know that a gas mask and some lab equipment were stolen from Walt's high school and used to cook meth out in the desert, and Walt was the only person (or one of the only persons) with a key to that room.

    And Hank knows Walt has a connection to Jesse, who Hank knows is somehow involved in the meth business.

    I'm just saying that Hank is consumed with finding out who Heisenberg is. Absolutely consumed. That's all he thinks about, even when he's not supposed to care. And Hank has been damn near right about everything so far. So it wouldn't surprise me if Hank has been putting the pieces together and figured out that Walt could be a candidate to be Heisenberg.

    Gilligan isn't exactly going to show the process or the "aha" moment. But there was the scene when Merkert told Hank and Gomez that he was being pushed out, and Merkert was talking about how he didn't know that the guy they were looking for (Fring) was right under Merkert's nose. The camera flashed to Hank, and he had this look on his face, like he knew exactly what Merkert was talking about.
     
  4. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW

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    We all seem to mostly agree that when Hank catches Heisenberg, Hank's DEA career is over.

    What if Hank realizes this, and agrees to not pursue Walt in exchange for (a) keeping his job, and (2) getting a cut of the meth business?

    And if other DEA agents do catch Walt, it would still be the end of Hank's career, but Hank would at least have some level of plausible deniability since his boss has already told him to move off the Fring case.
     
  5. uncdrew

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

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    While (our TCF) Hank is wrong about everything, I like this one.

    Does Hank the DEA agent break bad? I like it.


    Is DEA agent redundant?
     
  6. tiams

    tiams New Member

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    Very! ;)
     
  7. brianric

    brianric Active Member

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    Can someone explain why Hank would lose his job when he catches Heisenberg?
     
  8. TheMerk

    TheMerk Always Bid First

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    The same reason that the previous ASAC lost his job when it was discovered that Gus Fring was a druglord right under his nose.
     
  9. brianric

    brianric Active Member

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    That's true if someone else finds out who Heisenberg is. I doubt Hank would lose his job if he's the one who finds out who Heisenberg is. Strictly my opinion.
     
  10. robojerk

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    I don't think he has questioned it at all. He has probably known Walter and Skylar for decades, and from my impression of them from early season 1 is that the Whites are very honest, truthful people. Why would Hank question anything Walter or Skylar (from early and pre season 1) told him.
    However I think the cracks of who he thinks Walter and Skylar are definitely starting to showing, and he will (maybe with Marie's help) eventually start to realize something is not kosher in the the White household.
    Once again, I think he unquestioningly believes the White's are honest, truthful people.
    I do not think Hank knows Jesse and Walter have a connection. If he did I assume it's just that Jesse was a student of Walter's, but that means nothing to push Hank to the idea that Walter = Heisenberg.
    I still think Hank doesn't suspect a thing, if he did he'd be tailing Walter and/or Skylar, or asking them more questions.

    Considering all that Hank has been through (shoot out with Tuco, the tortoise explosion, the shootout with the twins, the lock down with Fring) I would think Hank would lose his **** and beat the crap out of Walter. I completely disagree with him shuffling it under the carpet and taking a cut. He's been through more hardships at the indirect hand of Walter White than anyone else.
     
  11. Hank

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    Well, even if Hank catches Heisenberg himself, he's still his brother-in-law. That's really going to go over like a lead balloon with his bosses. He's going to have to take the fall in the end anyway.
     
  12. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

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    Not really.

    An Agent in the Drug Enforcement Agency.

    Just like CIA Agent isn't redundant.


    phox
     
  13. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    I say you're all right, and I think the season bridging cliffhanger will be that Hank finally wakes up and gets the scent on Walt. Maybe Lydia will make a call to save her skin from Walt and prison (by "turning states evidence.")

    We know that Walt is going to go full bad. That prolly means that Hank isn't going to be able to let him slide without anyone ever knowing who Heisenberg was.
     
  14. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I don't think there's any way Hank "breaks bad" to save Walt or save his job. We've got to remember that this show isn't real life. This show is a work of literature filmed for TV. The writers are not likely to craft the story so that the protagonist and the antagonist end up on the same side at the end.

    If Hank had even an inkling about Walt, there's no way he would let Walt into his office, let alone leave him alone in there with the blinds closed.
     
  15. tivoboyjr

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    I agree. Hank isn't breaking bad. A real world, practical solution for if/when Hank catches on to Walt would be for Walt to agree stop cooking (in return for staying out of prison) and Hank to conclude that Heisenberg is dead (and thereby keep his job since the news that Heisenberg is Walt would presumably not be revealed - certainly not by Hank). But that isn't dramatic or interesting enough and won't happen on this show. There will be a showdown at some point, and I wouldn't be shocked if Hank is the last man standing.
     
  16. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW

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    Unless Hank has his office under surveillance and is recording everything Walt does. Of course, this is highly unlikely.
     
  17. Hank

    Hank AC•FTW

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    I like the sound of that!

    :)
     
  18. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    That's what I'm saying....

    ...then you'd have the inevitable as "indestructible" Heisenberg who can't stand to have Hank know or shut down his "Empire," so he takes on Hank.
     
  19. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    Nope....he's wrong about this too. Never gonna happen. Hank's a straight arrow when it comes to his career...
     
  20. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    It's the Drug Enforcement ADMINISTRATION...not agency.
     

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