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Breaking Bad S05E04 "Fifty-One" OAD 8.5.12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by johnmoorejohn, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. Hank

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    I agree with most of what you wrote, including this. Walt can't die at the end. He can destroy everyone around him, but "nothing stops this train". It's the end of the series, so if Walt dies, so does our imaginagation of what happens to Walt after the show is over. Despite Walt's decline into Scarface, I'm still "rooting" for him. I'm also rooting that Hank catches Walt in the end. But just like the Sopranos series finale, VG can't kill off Walt. He might leave it vague (just like Tony Soprano, who I believe was not killed in the series finale), but it won't be certain.
     
  2. MikeAndrews

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    Agree. Shows can get cross into the "I can't stand to watch" area, and I do s
    stop watching.

    Personally (Yeah. weirdly,) I couldn't sit through "The Office" because it's so much like my real job.

    You bring up that Hank will have to appreciate that Walt's money paid his bills, while Walt's activities got him almost killed in the first place!

    Hank would take his medicine and retire like his old boss did, but he may just try to kill ol' Walt first.

    Chase did intend that Tony Soprano bought it in the end - from Mr. Member's Only.

    Vince Gilligan is answering questions about a Breaking Bad movie with "maybe" so we can guess that Walt is going to come out alive.
     
  3. Hank

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    What does this mean? I read that he specifically left it ambiguous in the end. Maybe at some point he was going to kill off TS, but as far as the Series finale, he decided to leave it up to the viewer to decide.
     
  4. MikeAndrews

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    I vaguely recall Chase saying that Tony is no more.
     
  5. Hank

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    I'm pretty sure that you heard that wrong.. otherwise there wouldn't have been months of debate if Tony was shot or not in that last scene. If Chase wanted him killed off, I think he would have been slightly less ambiguous about it.
     
  6. robojerk

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    I read that too somewhere. The screen going black was to symbolize his death or something.
     
  7. Bierboy

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    Am I in the wrong thread?
     
  8. Hank

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    That's just what some people (fans) think. If Tony was supposed to die, then Chase would have said that somewhere. As far as I know, he's never said anything even close to that. Let's not start the entire debate again.
     
  9. brianric

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    :up::up:
     
  10. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Listening to the Breaking Bad Insider podcast for this episode, they pretty clearly state that Skylar planned on the swimming pool stunt as a way to get the kids to safety, and they say that if you look at Skylar's face as she's standing on the edge of the pool while Walt is talking, you can see the moment when the plan crystalizes for her and she decides to do it.
     
  11. robojerk

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    But you're fun to watch.
     
  12. MikeAndrews

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...truth-behind-sopranos-ending-article-1.231236
    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/09/entertainment/ca-davidchase9/2
    http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Enuf from me.
     
  13. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    Yep, I heard that too. I read the scene wrong.
     
  14. Hank

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    What? I don't get at all what you're saying here, none of these articles say definitiively that Chase killed TS in the end:

    This article says nothing about Tony's demise:

    About that ending

    The set contains the customary "lost scenes" and commentaries by the show's stars and creative team, plus a two-part Alec Baldwin interview with Chase and a lively round-table dinner discussion with the cast and crew about the show and its legacy. (And no -- spoiler alert -- they don't explain the ending in which Tony, seated with his wife and son at a diner, looks up at his daughter's presumed arrival only to have the screen go abruptly to black.)


    This article says he didn't get killed, but it's still vague:

    So were those onion rings Tony's last meal?
    Chase says that Tony did not get whacked, as many fans speculated when their screens faded to black following the restaurant scene that ended the storied TV series (and which Hillary Clinton later parodied in a campaign ad).
    In "The Sopranos: The Complete Book," Chase berates fans for obsessing over the ending.


    OMG -- this guy again? This PhD Dissertation of the Death of Tony Soprano is nothing more than his own personal, extremely biased interpretation of the ending. Despite the "revealing" radio interviews of Chase, Chase *still* doesn't say anything definitive about the ending. Just because he can pick out 100 different "clues" that indicate that he might have been killed, doesn't actually mean he was killed.

    Just because you killed Jesse James don't make you Jesse James

    So are you agreeing with me or trying to support that TS was whacked? I'm not sure how to interpret "Enuf from me." Nothing you posted actually supported your assertion.
     
  15. getreal

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    I think another huge eye-opener for Skyler was when she went to visit Benneke in the hospital out of genuine concern for him, and then saw the terror in his eyes when he saw her and associated the thugs who came to see him on her behalf, which led to his bumbling escape attempt which landed him in hospital.

    Let me help you out on that one.
    ENOUGH!
    - from me.
    ;)

    His post meant that he was giving his evidence, and then he was done talking about Sopranos in a BB thread. Please quit beating the horse. It's been dead for years.
     
  16. Hank

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    Sorry, but this is a new horse. He's saying that Chase made a definitive statement about the ending. I said he didn't. He posted three links to support his assertion. NONE of those links do that (not even close!). So just posting three links to pages that talk about it, and saying "enuf from me" doesn't support his argument one little bit. Since I took the time to read all of those links (in case I was wrong, I'd like to know), I'm just pointing this out.
     
  17. tiams

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    I noticed the fly stuff too. This episode was directed by the same person who directed the episode titled "fly" - Rian Johnson

    The floss reminded me of the opening credits for Dexter. The blood running down walt's head also reminded me of Dexter.

    Yes, she will.

    Now that Hank sees Walt as a cuckold it will be even harder for him to imagine milquetoast Walt as Heisenberg.
     
  18. robojerk

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  19. getreal

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    ... Just reminding you that this is a Breaking Bad thread. We are not interested in your thoughts on a bygone show (as great as it was) in this particular thread. You could just PM the guy and spare the rest of us.

    Back on topic, I also think Hank (the BB character) does not have Walt on his radar yet as pertaining to blue meth or Heisenberg. Especially after this episode. His perception would be based on Hank as the cancer survivor who has had to endure a cheating wife and a gambling addiction, but has come out on top as a "millionaire car wash" owner/entrepreneur. I would think that Hank sees Walt as the benevolent underdog/survivor.
     

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