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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by johnmoorejohn, Jul 29, 2012.
One person is reading!
(This was the second time yesterday I was "inadvertently" ignored.)
DPR, Quite a few homes in Cal Heights, Bixby Knolls and VCC have basements.
My aunt had what she called a basement in Beverly Hills. there were stairs going downstairs to a very tine small room. Maybe large walk-in closet size, but not much bigger than that. Ceilings were probably 6 1/2 feet or so.
why do you assume they aren't real? I k now on Mad Men, for instance, wardrobe color IS specifically picked for various reasons.
Because you can read that it's all pure speculation/fabrication/quesswork (except where noted that V.G. had directly indicated otherwise). Just because some freak somehow connects two things together, doesn't mean that there is ANY actual correlation. I'm happy to read all that stuff, but it actually has to be validated, not some nutball's guesses.
Well, Jessie's last name is PINKman...
And Walter's last name is WHITE!
then you'll LOVE this
OMG, my head is about to explode. You can pick ANYTHING from ANY EPISODE, and I can find at least 5 other instances that match or have some sort of "foreshadowing". Give me a freaking break.
Did you notice that the pizza that Walt threw on the roof was round, and Heisenberg's Pork Pie hat is also round! Vince Gilligan is a F*@#!#& genius!
But wait!!! It's also a PEPPERONI PIZZA! And what is pepperoni made from -- PORK! PORK PIE HAT! OMG, Vince Gilligan is a F*@#!#& genius!
The picture of Mike made me snort.
18. Foreshadowing: Heres a picture of the young Hector Salamanca, sitting on a chair of wheels, years before the old Hector Salamanca would be relegated to a wheelchair.
Is that really foreshadowing? Didn't we first meet this character when he was already old and in a wheelchair?
That's actually pretty cool
I'm sure it's not ALL planned, but if you believe that there was just randomly a painting on the wall with the same pink bear in it.....obviously there was an attempt of some type to include it.
it's not foreshadowing in the traditional sense, but it was a call-back for the character to where we saw him first. Whether by the director or writers or set dressers, a lot of these "easter eggs" are intentional.
No doubt this was intentional, but I wasn't sure if we first met this character in a flashback and that was foreshadowing of him ending up in a wheelchair. I guess just poor wording on the part of the articles author. Your phrase "easter egg" is more fitting.
This is pretty freaky/cool COINCIDENCE!! This really happened to me yesterday.
I was on the couch with my g/f channel surfing yesterday afternoon, and came across Scarface playing on cable. I said to the g/f that I really want to watch the entire movie because it was at least in part, part of Vince Gilligan's inspiration for Breaking Bad. (I have never seen Scarface, but it was already about an hour into it.)
So we're watching Scarface, and when it got to a commercial, I went up one channel to watch Bill Maher's Religulious (which I have seen before), and within 2 minutes, as part of Religulious, there were two or three clips from Scarface (for comedic affect). Really freaked me out for a second.. we're flipping between these two movies, and one movie was featured in the other!
But that's not the strangest part! We flip back to Scarface and the part where Tony Montana is meeting with Sosa, and Sosa is called away for a telephone call by Alberto i.e. "the Shadow". And who was that -- none other than Héctor Salamanca (Mark Margolis) -- a young Hector Salamanca, anyway. My g/f recognized him first, and I thought it was just someone who looked like Hector, but nope, we looked it up and it's the same actor.
OMG, Vince Gilligan is a F*@#!#& genius!
Okay, I'll bite.
Quite often, symbolism in stories is, in fact, quite intentional and deliberate. Storytelling is an art. As with all art forms, there are certain conventions practitioners follow. Some practitioners are more in tune with the conventions than others. Sometimes, an element in a story will indeed be there purely coincidentally, entirely by happenstance. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and assume that everything in a story is there randomly. It is not. Colors ARE used to signify specific things by many many authors. As are events. Think about all of the many instances where you've seen a story that, at its start, has the protagonist fall from a height. That's not done randomly -- it is a storytelling convention, symbolic of the protagonist passing a point of no return. Often, they fall into water. That's intentionally symbolic, as well -- symbolic of rebirth. Writers do this KNOWINGLY. It is not coincidence; it is writers applying the rules and conventions of their craft. Think of the thousands of stories that track the "Hero's Quest" storypoints delineated by Joseph Campbell. Stories don't just happen to fall into that form, any more than a haiku randomly happens to have a certain set number of syllables per line.* Writers do it intentionally, for the most part. I would be astounded if it turned out that the design of Hector's flashback wagonwheel chair was just coincidental. While you can read into everything and not all of it is intentional, that doesn't mean that none of it is.
While I don't believe that all of the "hints" listed at the uproxx site were intentional, I do believe some were.
And although some may scoff, I do personally think Vince Gilligan is a F*@#!#& genius.
Take a listen to the "Breaking Bad Insider" podcast sometime, which gives a good view into the level of thought that goes into making an episode. I'll give one recent example: the scene a few episodes ago, where Mike goes to Chow's house: Chow is shown sitting dead on the sofa at the end of the scene. Briefly, seen entering and leaving the frame, is a fly. It was added digitally in post. It wasn't randomly there on set; it was intentionally added by an author applying his craft. And, I would argue, not just "because dead bodies attract flies," but rather for symbolic reasons.
*(Actually, Joseph Campbell himself might beg to differ on that point given his views on Jungian archetypes and the collective unconscious, but my point is that many authors, post Campbell, have used the model as explained by him as a framework and outline for their own works).
I totally agree. I just want to find all the real ones (however subtle they are) and ignore all the fan-fic fabricated ones. But you have to admit, crazed fans are more likely to find relationships that were not intentional than the ones that were. This is what pisses me off.
I also think V.G. is a genius, but not for all the reasons listed in these blog posts.
I guarantee had someone told you the fly was fake and added later, you'd have one of your little meltdowns and start screaming about how they were nuts.
Don't care, then don't read it.