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Breaking Bad 9/1/13 "Rabid Dog"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. Sep 3, 2013 #161 of 253

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    Jan 17, 2002
    :rolleyes: Which brings up the questions:

    1. How izzit that Jesse has memorized whatever is the current phone number that calls the current burner that Walt is using?
    2. How izzit that Jesse found one of the last outdoor public phones in America conveniently located at the edge of the scene?
    3. How izzit that Jesse had change for the phone? They don't take $100s.
  2. Sep 3, 2013 #162 of 253

    MonsterJoe ♪♫♪♪♫♪♫♫♪

    Feb 19, 2003
    Central MA
    erm...Root for who you want...but pretty much NOBODY in this show is a good person by most good people's standards.
  3. Sep 3, 2013 #163 of 253

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies

    This, so much this....Jesse is a bad person...period.
  4. Sep 3, 2013 #164 of 253

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    Wasn't it Marie that asked Jesse if he wanted lasagna? I wonder what he said to her about it.
  5. Sep 3, 2013 #165 of 253
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Well, not period...and I think that's the problem. He's not a mustache-twirling villain; he's a very human monster, like monsters tend to be. Nobody is pure evil (or pure good). Jesse is very much one of the bad guys, and it's not even a close call. But because, like all humans (and unlike most TV villains), he is portrayed as having some sympathetic characteristics, people who are used to mustache-twirling villains are willing to excuse the fact that he is, well, evil in oh-so-many ways.

    He is a terrible (if sometimes likable) person. It's just standing next to Walt that he looks somewhat less terrible.
  6. Sep 3, 2013 #166 of 253

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South
    Fine points. I too was surprised by the pay phone, but I'm guessing the intrawebs quickly proved that there is one in that location.
  7. Sep 3, 2013 #167 of 253

    uncdrew Annie 2.0

    Aug 6, 2002
    Down South

    What's the full evil spectrum. If Walt Junior and the baby are far right, who is farther... Err... further left? Walt? Todd? Mike? Gus? Declan? Tuco? Hector? Gonzo? Kuby?

    Heck, Badger, Saul, Huell all seem like angels. :)
  8. Sep 3, 2013 #168 of 253
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    The fun thing about this show is that it consists mostly of two types of people: those at the far left end of the spectrum, and those that the people at the far left end of the spectrum have dragged with them to the far left end of the spectrum.

    And Walt Jr. and the baby, who are just clueless and never participate in the story. :D
  9. Sep 3, 2013 #169 of 253

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    This reminds me of a scene from another show (not getting too specific to avoid spoilers) where a priest basically told the character that his sins were okay, as long as he "hates sin". :rolleyes:
  10. Sep 3, 2013 #170 of 253

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I actually just did a Google street view around that plaza and there are no pay phones, but this show is supposed to be taking place several years ago, so I can forgive them that issue.
  11. Sep 3, 2013 #171 of 253

    brianric Active Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Pennsville, NJ
    I had to do a double take at the local Dennys when I saw two pay stations. Even though the Dennys is at a Flying J truck stop one would think truckers would have cell phones.
  12. Sep 4, 2013 #172 of 253

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002
    Not what I was saying at all. Jesse has done far more evil than any of the other major characters, save Walt. I was just pointing out that at least he recognizes what he has done and is haunted by it, unlike, say Walt, so that makes him more human and thus more relatable.
  13. Sep 4, 2013 #173 of 253

    DeDondeEs Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 20, 2004
    Las Vegas, NV
    I am wondering since we didn't see what Jesse said on the video, and we didn't see how Gomez was pulled into this, if this is building up to all being a big play by Walt and Jesse to frame either Hank, the guys who took over the operation, Lydia, or even Saul.

    This show isn't that sloppy where we would never see what was said by Hank to Gomez or what Jesse said on the video, that wasn't included in order to redirect the viewer.
  14. Sep 4, 2013 #174 of 253

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    and it's certainly not sloppy enough to allow what you suggested to be the outcome after all this setup. That would basically undo everything seen in 5B to this point and make it all a big sham. There's no way that's happening.
  15. Sep 4, 2013 #175 of 253

    jkeegan Active Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    As intriguing as the idea might seem, there's no getting past the fact that we saw (when noone else was around) Jesse figure out the ricin had been lifted, then go beat up Saul, then go pour gasoline inside Walt's house. Walt then walked through his house (gun drawn), clearly nervous about Jesse.

    There's no time for Jesse to have been with Walt to plan anything after that.

    Now what might happen is that Jesse may try to save Walt. I know that's a long shot, and I don't think it will happen, but there's a small chance. Hear me out. The key moment would be when Jesse was sitting in Hank's livingroom, Jesse said something about Walt not caring about him(Jesse), and then Hank said "not from what you've told us..".. Hank then proceeded to show him examples in the testimony that showed Walt's concern for Jesse.

    What Hank was going for (if I remember the scene correctly) was to tell Jesse that Walt is always pretending to care about him, so (fuzzy memory here) - so he could trust meeting with Walt that Walt wouldn't try to hurt him(?).

    But I saw a tiny sliver of a chance there that Jesse saw someone else saying that Walt cared about him (however briefly) as a chance to reenforce what he hoped for deep down - approval from Walt. It'd have to grow, and he'd have to spend time thinking about it, and again I doubt it from what we've seen, but I did think that after giving that testimony, hearing that it wasn't obvious to everyone else that Walt would kill him gave him some pause.

    So I'm labeling everything that happened during the wearing-a-wire meet with an asterisk for now, just in case Jesse had different intentions there. Was the phone call an act? Maybe a code they planned years ago for if one ever got caught? Maybe. But the bald guy waiting for the kid in the park was too clear of a tell that Jesse actually thought Walt was betraying him.

    So, no, I don't think Jesse and Walt are planning anything, and I don't think that Jesse is trying to help Walt in any way. But, it's possible. :)
  16. Sep 4, 2013 #176 of 253

    Cearbhaill Garden obsessed

    Aug 1, 2004
    My husband does not watch BB- wants to start from scratch in a binge watch after the finale.
    But he walked through the room the other day as I was watching, glanced at the screen and asked "That's a bad guy, right?"

    All I could do was shake my head and say "Hon, they're all bad guys."
  17. Sep 4, 2013 #177 of 253

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I thought there would be a long discussion at how cold and heartless Hank was as he discussed Walt possibly killing Jesse. He and Skyler both crossed the same threshold (albeit from very different perspectives). But I was a lot more stunned by Hank's easy dismissal of Jesse's life's worth than with Skyler's.
  18. Sep 4, 2013 #178 of 253

    jgickler Mr. Rolleyes

    Apr 7, 2000
    Princeton, Iowa
    One thing I am wondering about. When Jesse first entered the plaza, someone ran into him, I believe they had a blue hoodie on. When I first saw it, it looked a little like Todd. I actually rewound, and didn't see anything to indicate it was Matt Damon, so I just continued to watch the scene. But now I am wondering if maybe it was Todd and there was more to the scene then just Jesse bumping into a random guy.
  19. Sep 4, 2013 #179 of 253

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

    Dec 26, 2005
    A Galaxy...
    I won't be sad if Hank is blown away by someone.
  20. Sep 4, 2013 #180 of 253

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    Nor I....

    What I find interesting is that, in all the theories being floated here at TCF, almost all involve many if not nearly all of the BB principals dying. I'm feeling that many will survive in various alternative lives....

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