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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, Sep 1, 2013.
I hadn't caught that. Wow!
And we all know that Walt is in the "empire business." So my guess is that Jesse wants to do something to sabotage Walt's empire.
The next episode is called To'hajiilee, which, if you listen to the podcast, you know it is the name of the place where
Walt buried the money. So my guess is somehow Jesse makes a play to go after Walt where it will really hurt.
I'm not wrong in thinking what I think, despite your extreme pendantics.
Really live does not necessarily mean home.
"where you really live" I would take as a threat to his family but maybe not the physical house.
BUT it could also be that "where you really live" means Heisenberg and the reputation and EMPIRE that he has built. That is where Walt is living now. That would be something that would really hurt him.
Is that what you REALLY think?
OK....just because "someone made me do it" that makes him an OK guy? Wow...
It's the Flip Wilson defense.
But that's nothing compared to the excuses Walt's defenders use..."It's OK to cheat and steal and run a drug empire and murder people, as long as you're just trying to help your family."
Just to derail for a moment -
I watched the episode that shows Walt and Skylar looking at the house when they first bought it. Skylar pregnant with Walt Jr and Walt with hair. I had major flashback to a similar scene from Malcolm in the Middle when Hal and Lois were looking at their new house. It was kind of freaky to remember both scenes. Even funnier that in MiM they end up with 5 boys and in BB Walt is talking about how the house may not be big enough and should have 5 bedrooms.
You know who else likes Hello Kitty?
No, but it does make him the most morally superior of almost everyone on the show. He's a simple minded drug addict who was manipulated into doing really bad things.And unlike virtually any other character, Jesse feels immense guilt over what he's been a part of. Between character like Gus, Mike, Walt, Saul and Jesse, yeah, Jesse gets my sympathy. He still deserves to go to jail for a long time, but since Breaking Bad isn't a courtroom or a prison drama, the showdown isn't going to be who gets the longest prison sentence, so yeah, I root for Jesse.
This. You got to the thread before me so I'll just defer mostly to your response.
Does Jesse being manipulated into doing bad things make his actions okay? Of course not. I never said that.
Yes. But the point is that he was already willing to kill without any manipulation from Walt. And even when it came to Gale, it was only because both him and Walt were desperate. There was no manipulation on Walt's part to trick Jesse into turning on Gale. Walt truly believed that it was the only way to save both of them from Gus, and he let Jesse know his true feelings.
Walt didn't have any grand scheme to get Gale out of the picture, and manipulate Jesse into killing for him. In fact, he originally only wanted Jesse to find Gale for him. The original plan was for Walt to deal with Gale. It was only when Mike and box cutter guy had him cornered that he asked Jesse to do the deed.
Anyone notice Hank misusing the line from the movie "Silverado"?
"I don't wanna kill you, and you don't wanna be dead". Hank used a variation of that, would have been great if used it exactly.
Even worse? Take the credit away from him. Walt's ego would have a conniption if Jessie took credit for being Heisenberg.
Why do so many people think Jessie is simple-minded? Walt's complaint about him when he was in Chemistry class was that he didn't apply himself, not that he was stupid. He's an addict, and that clouds his decision making sometimes, but he isn't stupid.
Totally agree on this. It was just a way for us to sync up the two views of the storyline.
Oh my! I think his head would explode!
This is what you said...
I disagree (primarily because I disagree with your definition of a bad person). I think Jesse is a bad person, too....for many of the reasons you listed above that statement in that post.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on this...
I think you nailed it right there. Destroy his reputation as the cancer survivor former high school chemistry teacher car wash entrepreneur decent family man and neighborhood good citizen. Take off his mask to reveal the monster to everybody, not just the DEA. Bring his criminal past to roost at his home. Air his dirty laundry ... okay, I think I've used up more than my allotted quota of metaphors.
Ha! I love that. It's so elegant - he does really "hit Walt where he lives" (or whatever the line was) - a terrible blow to his Ego. Plus, it would help Jesse feel absolved of his guilt, maybe, by accepting more than his fair share of the blame.