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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, Sep 1, 2013.
Im glad Hank finally brought Gomie into this. He shoulda done it right away.
I somewhat disagree. They've had pretty strong hints all along that Walt has always had Heisenberg lurking within him, but never had the guts and/or the impetus to let him out. (Remember that he could have been Steve Wozniak, but his own selfishness led him to think he didn't need his partners, and he was the one who got left behind.) He had a fragile little life going, and when that began to fall apart, he began to let his demons out. But they were always there.
And letting/making terrible things happen in order to serve your own interests doesn't make you a "good" family man; it makes you a brutal sociopath.
Everything you said.
Was it realistic that Jesse could stand in the living room with a lit lighter and all those gasoline fumes without them igniting?
So if Jesse told Hank about the Drew Sharp killing, that means he told about the train heist. That seems like it would be fairly easy to verify.
Man, this hour went by fast.
Yes, but could it be traced to Walt?
If Jesse told them about it, then they investigated and it turned out to be true, that would make at least one part of his story verifiable. That was Gomie's problem, and it seems that's a good place to start.
And I'm sure that as soon as they start sniffing around Lydia, she'll roll over on Walt in no time if they offer her immunity.
Ding, ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! Nobody is all good or all bad. We all have a gatekeeper in our head that keeps us from saying or doing the wrong thing. The only difference is what your definition of "wrong" is and his vigilant that gatekeeper is.
We all have our weaknesses...something that takes over that gatekeeper to keep it from doing its job. It could be drugs, like Jesse. With Walt it's hubris. He has been a downtrodden and beaten little man, bested by others he thought intellectually inferior. He finally has his breakthrough, doing something he is truly the best at doing, and it happens to be illegal and controlled by thugs who are intellectually inferior to Walt. At every opportunity to beat his chest and show his superiority, he's done it to his own detriment. He cannot help it.
But now he's had a taste of power and respect and he likes it. And he cannot go back to meek and mild even if it serves his own best interest. A friend of mine likes to say that sociopaths get things done because they don't have the same worries you and I have about people and feelings. Walt's lies and manipulations can be seen as Heisenberg being the dominant personality, but I think they are also proof that Heisenberg hasn't completely taken over because he still cares about people and feelings enough to lie.
I know that seems like a BS distinction, but if the money was all he cared about, he could have disappeared by Saul's guy a while ago.
When Walt was inside with his gun, I said "if he fires that he could explode the whole house!"
If Jesse told Hank about Todd and Uncle Jack+crew (and Lydia?) then he has a lot more big enemies right now.
Still hoping that Walt uses that big gun to somehow save Jessie from Uncle Jack's crew.
Pretty common TV Show Bad Guy burner phones, Saul had a number of them in his drawer of emergency phones.
Old tech, no GPS chip, cheap enough to throw away without hesitation.
Although Walt seems to have had this phone longer than most, long enough for Jesse to have the number memorized.
Hello Kitty phone though, it has GPS capability so is a lot more traceable than the old flip phone Walt has.
Surprised this didn't come into play when Saul had his guys trying to find Jesse.
Piling on to the "like". You expressed it better than I did.
They've done this on purpose to make the show not be tied to a specific timeframe.* The first season was filmed in 2007, when flip phones were still very common. From the pilot to the most recent episode has been about 18 months, so a flip phone would still be very common in 2009.
*Of course they kind of screwed this up by having Walt and Skyler buy new model cars, but that's kind of the point. This show isn't supposed to be set in any specific time period. It just happens.
Walt decided to start cooking meth in the pilot. He also killed a guy in the pilot. It didn't take much to cause him to break bad.
Heisenberg should have snapped Jessie's neck when he had the chance. No half measures, Walter.
OMG, I feel old as one of my two cell phones is a flip-phone.
The host said they were eating cereal.
We were supposed to notice the coke powder on the CD.
I didn't see that coming, but thinking about it, otherwise how would Jesse have gotten out of there leaving Saul's caddy behind? Just stroll out on foot through Walt's burbie neighborhood?
"Jesse, put the lighter down! You don't want to do it. I don't want to shoot you."
I initially felt that way too, but I also liked the shock at seeing him there when Jesse walked into the room. So I decided that I liked the way things played out.
The only reason Jesse murdered Gale was because Gus wanted to kill both him and Walt. And the reason Gus wanted to kill both him and Walt was because Walt killed two men that Jesse was planning on killing.
So I disagree that Walt manipulated Jesse into becoming a murderer. In fact, Walt sacrificed everything to prevent him from becoming one.
Walt could have just let Jesse kill those men, and suffer the consequences at the hands of Gus while he and Gale made their product in the safety of their lab. Instead, he killed the two men Jesse was after, hoping that Gus would be less willing to go after him than Jesse. He put his own life in danger for Jesse. That's about as opposite from manipulation as you can get.
That's an interesting thought. What if Walt is calling Todd's uncle not because he wants Jesse dead, but because he wants to set up a scenario where he can "save" Jesse? Perhaps his attempt at saving Jesse backfires, and ends up turning Todd and Co. against him.
We know by the law of The Mythbusters that the fuel/air mixture ratio has to hit a magic range to be explosive. If he had dropped a flame on the carpet the gas would burn through the wicking effect like in a kerosene lantern.
The key question we should have at this point is what Jesse has in mind that could get "Mr. White" worse than the conversation on the wire. He has to have some physical evidence or set up mind.
I can't think of many at this point. There are no bodies buried with evidence that he knows of.
Maybe if they find the pit next the train tracks opposite where Drew Sharp was killed...oh, wait, nobody knows where, or that he was killed. He's just missing.
Maybe set up Walter to get got by Lydia and the Uncle Jack crew and the Czechs.
How about one of the Guatemalans that worked at the laundry and saw Walter?
I think Walt's final phone call was to set up a hit on Lydia, not Jesse like they want us to think...specifically because she would turn on him on a dime.. also because when Jesse said "I'll get you at home" at the end, I think he tipped Walt off that he was talking to Hank ("at home") and the DEA, and their next move is Lydia for some real evidence or a sting. But since there doesn't seem to be any real evidence and he's "retired" I'm not sure how much damming evidence she can provide.
I still do wonder what Jesse's "there's a better way" means, if that's just going after his wife/kids, or something else. I hope it's not the former, that's just to easy and not a very "Breaking Bad" way. It has to be something we don't/can't anticipate like the "confession" video. Finally Jesse is playing Walt's game, and Walt will not expect it (I hope).