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Breaking Bad 9/1/13 "Rabid Dog"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by jkeegan, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. Sep 2, 2013 #41 of 253
    MegaHertz67

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    It seems the last innocent person we have left is Walter Junior. I wonder if we see him corrupted over the last 4 episodes. Corrupted...or innocent bystander that gets caught in the crossfire. Either way it cannot end well for young Flynn. At least he got to enjoy the muscle car.
     
  2. Sep 2, 2013 #42 of 253
    getreal

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    For the plaza scene I expected Walt to have the Radio Shack device that Saul showed him in the desert when Walt was checking for bugs/GPS units on his car. Walt would've known that Jesse was bugged.
     
  3. Sep 2, 2013 #43 of 253
    Beryl

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    I'm rooting for Jesse because he appears to be the only character to have repented of his sins. I didn't like him in the first couple of seasons but when he didn't want to take the money after the kid was killed in the desert, I officially became a fan.

    I used to be a Skylar supporter but she can meet her end also.
     
  4. Sep 2, 2013 #44 of 253
    john4200

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    In his typical, worthless manner, I suppose you could say he has. But it is more like he is feeling sorry for himself than that he has seriously repented. Jesse certainly has not taken responsibility for what he has done, or made a prolonged effort at restitution. And he continues to make bad choices. Instead of throwing the money out on the street, he could have donated it to charities of his choice, or even started his own charity and worked hard at it (for street children involved in drugs, maybe?). Jesse is still taking drugs. He would have burned Walt's house down if Hank did not stop him -- which would have been a pretty despicable thing to do, considering that it also affects Skylar and the children (not just Walt).

    Jesse could have turned himself in and gone to jail for all the laws he has broken. But he has not done that. He does not seriously think he is responsible for most of the terrible things he has done. Somehow Jesse blames Walt for everything, instead of taking responsibility for the many things that Jesse himself has done.
     
  5. Sep 2, 2013 #45 of 253
    Numb And Number2

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    No weed! Go insane. Bald guy at two o'clock! Go insane.
     
  6. Sep 2, 2013 #46 of 253
    jkeegan

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    Agreed!! And if he tried, he probably could have got away - they can't really call for backup!

    You mean at the beginning in the bedroom? Me too!! Then I thought maybe just one shot. We got none.

    Once again, agreed. That would have felt very unsatisfying not having seen it.
     
  7. Sep 2, 2013 #47 of 253
    jkeegan

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    Can we just talk about something else?

    Ok, last week you were upset about the new parking rules..

    LOL
     
  8. Sep 2, 2013 #48 of 253
    jkeegan

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    Not me. I'm simultaneously rooting for Walt and Jesse foremost, then on the rest of the spectrum going from rooting for to rooting against, it's Skyler, then Walt Jr, Saul and Huell in there somewhere, and at the bottom is Hank and Marie, Todd, Uncle Jack & Crew. Badger and Skinny Pete go somewhere above Hank and Marie. Gomez is around Hank's level.

    (That's what I let my conscious mind think. I'm trying not to plan out the ending too much because I want to be surprised by it and go along for the ride.. I'll accept any and every person dying if it makes for an insanely awesome episode that makes the whole series and has me loving it (even if sad)).

    But who am I consciously rooting for? Walt and Jesse together.
     
  9. Sep 2, 2013 #49 of 253
    jkeegan

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    I just saw your message again and realized you didn't mean that everyone HERE wants Jesse dead and Skyler too etc, but that you meant everyone on the SHOW wants him dead. :)

    Doh.
     
  10. Sep 2, 2013 #50 of 253
    jkeegan

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    By the way, at least in this episode, it seemed that everyone else (except Walt Jr) was breaking bad more than Walt.. Skyler and Saul advocate murdering Jesse. Hank sends Jesse in knowing ahead of time he could die and he's fine with that (and Gomez goes along with it).

    Jesse rats Walt out, which isn't necessarily becoming more bad on the spectrum, but it's a betrayal. Marie blabs a bit too.

    The nicest this episode were Walt, Walt Jr., and the cleaning guy who didn't take any more of Walt's money.
     
  11. Sep 2, 2013 #51 of 253
    Test

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    Is that the luck running out or was it lucky that the bald guy was there? Jesse said he is really lucky.

    Just can't lie to his wife.
     
  12. Sep 2, 2013 #52 of 253
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Well, that wasn't exactly what I meant...not that most people root for Jesse, but that of the people who have expressed reason to root for anybody, most have done it for Jesse. But yes, you're right, they're all bad people to varying degrees, and they're all getting worse, and I hope they all get what they deserve. Which is a kind of rooting, I suppose. ;)

    I guess I could root for Walt Jr. if he were actually doing anything worth rooting for, but really he's just a passive innocent. Otherwise, it's just shades of despicability. Which the show makes fascinating, which is its genius.
     
  13. Sep 2, 2013 #53 of 253
    betts4

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    Yes, at the beginning, when Walt opens the door and then we see the long hallway shot. I really was expecting a shot or two. Walt shooting Jesse and missing, Jesse shooting at Walt and missing...who knows.

    We seem to have the same mindset for a lot of how this show goes. :up:

    This made me laugh.
     
  14. Sep 2, 2013 #54 of 253
    photoshopgrl

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    I'm sorry but I'm 100% rooting for Jesse. He started out a punk kid making meth and yes, that's a horrible thing but he evolved from that to murder because of Walt's manipulation of him. He has shown over the course of the show that he didn't want pretty much any of this yet he keeps allowing himself to be dragged back in. Jesse's main fault is he's weak minded. And part of that his his drug addiction. Walt has been like a father to him and we saw last week that it's something Jesse feels because he even said the words "just tell me you don’t give a **** about me" because he desperately wanted to hear the opposite. Ugh. Some people do bad things and I don't think that makes them bad people. Jesse is a prime example of that. Walt, on the other hand, is a bad person.

    Just my $.02
     
  15. Sep 2, 2013 #55 of 253
    betts4

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    I like that $.02.

    And something I realized this week as Walt Jr, also was telling Dad to stop with the lies, is that Walt has betrayed both of his sons. Both Walt Jr and Jesse who I really felt he saw like a son to him (at times).
     
  16. Sep 2, 2013 #56 of 253
    photoshopgrl

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    Definitely. Again, I honestly think Walt cares about Jesse. He loves his son and wife too. But he will manipulate anyone and everyone if it serves him well to do so.
     
  17. Sep 2, 2013 #57 of 253
    jsmeeker

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    I'll buy that for $1.00
     
  18. Sep 2, 2013 #58 of 253
    Jstkiddn

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    In a way I think that Walt cares about his family so much that he's willing to do just about anything to "protect" them. Now, his idea of protection and my idea of protection are two vastly different things, but in his mind he justifies everything he's done in order to keep the family together.
     
  19. Sep 2, 2013 #59 of 253
    JLucPicard

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    Jesse walking away from the plaza situation - cue the vehicle sliding around the corner and screeching to a halt next to him. And that vehicle was a minivan? Since when are they capable of that??? lol
     
  20. Sep 2, 2013 #60 of 253
    jkeegan

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    Lots of people say Walt "is" a bad person. I just want to point out something obvious here:

    1) He is NOW. We've been watching his decent, from regular old innocent chemistry teacher to this.
    2) Adding to all of the Star Wars references, there is still some good in him.
    3) I think the point of the show is that this descent could happen to ANYBODY.

    Some of the very qualities that made early Walt seem so "good" (caring about his family) are the very things that motivate his path towards current Walt.

    And lastly, the reason we still see the good and can still (at some level) want to see him succeed/survive/be-happy is because we've watched the entire descent and we know the original Walt. We saw all of the decisions along the way. And with respect to his family, all of his intentions have been good. (Even letting Jesse'a girlfriend choke to death on her own vomit - she was blackmailing Walt and by extension his family).
     

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