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Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by gostan, Jul 12, 2012.
TiVo has an answer for that called MOCA.
But not inexpensive compared to a wireless adapter
MoCA adapters are not expensive, see them all the time on fleabay for less than $50. All you need is one of them.
One strong reason I have not bought another TiVo is because TiVo forces me to deal with Comcast. Comcast clearly would prefer I never get a CableCard from them, but if I do they find multiple ways to make me pay figuratively and literally.
After the incompetent CSR has managed to add all the "screw you" fees, the TiVo loses almost all monthly cost advantage over Comcast equipment. Yes, the TiVo is much better than Comcast equipment, but I also have to pay up front for TiVo hardware.
I would prefer to map QAM channels to TiVo guide data myself just like Silicon Dust. But TiVo has made it clear they aren't willing to let me do that sort of mapping. Perhaps they are trying to placate cable companies because they think they can make more money by some day becoming the cable company equipment vendor.
That is entirely dependent on your Comcast local billing policy for cards. I have 3 of them and pay $4 a month net after credits - 3 HD boxes from Comcast would cost WAY more than that every month.
Perhaps, but easier to setup and more reliable then wifi.
I've also read here about wireless ethernet bridges, not inexpensive but a multiport bridge could serve several devices, not just the TiVo.
If someone can live with vintage 150Mbps wireless N you can find devices on sale for $20. I have purchased ones from multiple vendors (TP-Link, SMC Networks, & D-Link) and they all seem to work well enough for remote locations on my property at least for what I use them for (my TiVos are hard wired).
I believe that WOW! covers most of Detroit.
The tech that installed my cable cards really knew what he was doing. He used a handheld device that (re)programmed the cards, the bar-codes were scanned using an iPhone which called in the number then the Tech entered the number from the CC screen.
I went with option for 15mps internet speed test rates my connection 18 to 20 compared with the 1.5 to 3mps I was getting with Comcast and My bill is $70 less.
It has been over a year now and Knock on Wood no outages or problems yet and I did replace a TiVo HD painlessly just calling in the numbers to move the card done in less than 5 minutes no truck roll requited.
WOW does indeed cover some of the Detroit suburbs. In the last year the neighboring suburb got WOW so I am now a half block out of WOW territory. One advantage to TiVo is they have guide information for most of the over air Canadian stations. Being south of 8 Mile, I can get 6 strong digital stations from Canada. Comcast only carries 1 Canadian station.
(No matter how many times I report 1 station is now digital, they can't seem to get the guide data fixed. Just another way they find to upset me - sigh.)
The inclusion of wifi is clearly not needed appease people like us, but if TiVo wants to have mass market appeal, they do need built-in wifi to appease a much broader audience. MOCA and ethernet cables are not solutions for the general public, plain and simple.
(MOCA maybe if set up by the cable installer and totally transparent to the consumer, but this is not a general public solution for retail devices)
That's your opinion - MoCA is very easy to use and is a good solution for almost anyone. It's also a heck of a lot more reliable than wireless which is why Tivo makes it optional (for support reasons alone).
I agree that Tivo should make it easier for consumers by offering a cheap MoCA adapter with the boxes, and you have to have either a wireless router or an AP/switch if you want to install either solution so nothing is truly plug and play.
It's only a good solution if you have a little bit of tech knowledge. My mother can turn on her computer and login to Facebook. That's it. She uses her Tivo that I connected for her. She doesn't know anymore than that and has no desire to learn.
Yes, and wireless won't be plug and play for Mom either, it can be as troublesome to get working as MoCA (which isn't much). That was the point.
They deserve to be knocked for the lack of Wi-Fi. I have a Roku box for netflix streaming it not only has Wireless N (admittedly only 2.4) built in, but is cheaper than Tivo's adapter.
Not nearly as troublesome as MoCa. Wifi is mainstream. MoCa is not. Most people don't know what it is. Most people who have it already in their home via their Verizon FIOS router, don't know what it is. People are going to hear about some new technology and be turned off.
That being said, I am a huge MoCa fan. It's the greatest thing since wifi.
But MoCA is not even a new technology. It's been out for over six years now. It's nothing new. I got my first MoCA devices in Summer 2007 when I first got FiOS.
MOCA is a bridging technology that is basically plug and play. How is it "troublesome"? You put some sort of adapter at either end of the coax and it basically turns into a long run of Ethernet.
Exactly. Or, for the Elite/XL4, you get a single MoCA adapter for the jack nearest your router and then plug the Tivo in wherever you want in the house. That's what I was talking about.
Built-in wireless is fine if all you need is to download program guides and updates. For streaming/transferrring with multiple Tivos, it's entirely a crapshoot.
It's troublesome because it requires additional stuff that mainstream users, including me, don't understand, want to deal with, or even care about. WiFi is universal and serves well for most. Hell, I'm still running G adapters on my TiVos that aren't hard wired ethernet and that's sufficient for my purposes.
I'm with everyone else....there is no excuse for TiVo not including integrated WiFi as part of what they tout as a premium product.