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Blacklist: "IVAN" 3/24/2014- SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Alfer, Mar 25, 2014.

  1. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    I suppose that's always a possibility. It just didn't strike me as literal when I first heard it.
  2. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    Well, I don't have millions of dollars in a bank account so I don't know know for sure, but I don't see why it couldn't work like that. I can transfer $100 to my daughter's bank account with a few clicks on my computer.

    Heh! You really lost the thread here :p :D

    So. Ivan stole $5 million from Red in the past. Red thinks that Ivan is the one who pulled the current heist of the secret technology and tells the FBI. And oh by the way, he's going to try to get his money back at the same time. So they all go to Russia and Red sets up Ivan by having the FBI and Russian police pretend to be about to arrest Ivan in the restaurant. Red says he'll save Ivan for the measly price of $8 million dollars, which Ivan pays. Red then pretends to shoot an FBI agent to get Ivan to believe it's all true, and spirits Ivan out of the country on his private plane. During the ride, Red grills Ivan and discovers that the person who did the hacks was not Ivan, and that someone who is "very good" has been pretending to be Ivan for months and Ivan can't figure out who it is.

    That's the last we see of Ivan; presumably since Red got his money back he doesn't have any more business with Ivan, so Ivan simply walked off of Red's plane when it landed and is now free to hack again.

    Meantime we discover that the teenager is the one who's really been doing all this stuff all along and pretending to be Ivan. No doubt Ivan has a serious rep amongst the cracker community and that's how the kid knew about him and decided to use his name to avoid any suspicion.
  3. vman

    vman Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    Vienna, VA
    Red even says it in the beginning - Ivan is known in the deep dark parts of the internet where only hardcore hackers and foolish teenagers go.
  4. Gerryex

    Gerryex Member

    Apr 24, 2004
    Land O...
    Yes, so can I. BUT . . . the transaction does not clear nor is spendable by the destination account until at least the next business day or sometimes even more. I doubt people like Red are going to proceed unless the transferred money had cleared into their accounts.

    Sometimes I tend to doze off and I think I did at the very beginning of the show but then was pretty alert for most of the rest of it. What I missed was the set up with Ivan up until the fake killing of the FBI agent.

    Thanks for taking the time to fill me in!!

  5. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    I think you are confusing EFT with wire transfers. EFT takes time (I think this is by design, they probably make money on the "float").

    But wire transfers are valid almost immediately. Most banks charge a stiff fee for wire transfers (hence they do not need to hold the funds to make money on the "float"). However, with wire transfers of any sizable amount, all the banks I have dealt with want to have a banker personally speak with someone whose account is being debited (to prevent fraud). Maybe there are banks that will allow large wire transfers with just a computer password, but I have never dealt with one.

    Of course, in TV-world, all systems can be hacked instantly by a clever hacker, so perhaps the transfer did not go through official channels.
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Heh. When I was in college (late 80s), my degree adviser loved the ideas of computers, but didn't have a clue how they worked. Since I was a computer expert (I knew how to press the "on" button, y'see, and type stuff in), he kept asking me to show him how to do truly bizarre and impossible things. Finally, I said "You don't want a computer. You want magic."

    I know he didn't go on to become a Hollywood screenwriter, but I think he may have missed his true calling. :D
  7. Gerryex

    Gerryex Member

    Apr 24, 2004
    Land O...
    I don't think so. One time I had to wire a sizable amount of money to pay off a loan and there was a charge from the bank and it was definitely called a wire transfer. And it took 2 or 3 business days to take place.

    Yeah, this is how it always works on TV or in movies. I also HATE where some hacker can get on to any computer and within a few key strokes break into any system they want. In this case this prototype was some kind of special hardware that could hack into anything and I'm sorry but that just can't happen!!! But again I suppose this is just "poetic license!!!"

  8. Allanon

    Allanon Member

    Nov 2, 2005
    You guys are thinking American banking. They probably have accounts in Switzerland, Cayman Islands, or some shady banking country that don't keep track of people and transactions. Or they use Bitcoin. :)
  9. getreal

    getreal postcrastinator

    Sep 29, 2003
    Maybe he is an agent for the forces of KAOS? ;)
  10. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    I'm not sure what delayed your wire transfer. I have done a number of wire transfers between banks, including some between countries. The funds are available at the receiving end either same day (usually within an hour), or sometimes first thing next day if the transfer is near the end of banking hours on the receiving end.
  11. rifleman69

    rifleman69 Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    The Cowboy was one of the weakest PI's I've ever seen.
  12. Gerryex

    Gerryex Member

    Apr 24, 2004
    Land O...

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