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Bad news for Tivo and Chromecast owners?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by siratfus, Mar 18, 2014.

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  1. Grakthis

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    Depends on the app, right? The TiVo App sucks because it's too many steps to get into it. The "boot-up" is worse than just picking up the remote in 99% of use cases.

    The Xbox Smartglass app is a mixed bag. If I am digging down into something, like YouTube or Netflix, I like smartglass. If I am just turning up the volume or launching a game, I do not like smartglass. It's a question of "I have to overcome the bootup and connection time."

    With Chromecast, there is no bootup and connection time. You literally navigate to the media and push play. I guess there is a connection time, but it's roughly the buffering time of the video + 2-3 seconds.

    So, I agree with what you're saying, but I think you're missing that there is clearly a decision rule in here.
     
  2. Bigg

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    But then wouldn't HBO get everything, regardless of device?

    Even if the app connects instantly, you still have to find and open the app. The remote is right there... I can see uses for the remote control apps, but they do not replace physical remotes.
     
  3. tarheelblue32

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    Yes, that's the point. HBO already has access to all the information they need to authenticate the HBOGO app on Roku for Comcast customers. The only reason HBO doesn't do it is because Comcast tells them not to. That's what makes it so infuriating, it's not some sort of technical issue, Comcast is just being a dick about it.
     
  4. rainwater

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    That's not true. The authentication system is already in place. The issue is Comcast has to approve each new device that gets HBOGo support. So it is really a political issue. This is why Directv won't approve HBOGo on Roku (because of Roku's Dish Network affiliations).
     
  5. Bigg

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    Interesting. Comcast should get their act together and approve all devices that support it.
     
  6. rainwater

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    They don't won't to approve some of them because they compete with them in other areas. It is a shame but Comcast doesn't care about their customers when it comes to HBO Go.
     
  7. tarheelblue32

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    The FCC should make it illegal for Comcast to give the okay for HBO to authenticate some 3rd party devices but not all of them. They should not be allowed to discriminate like this for no reason.
     
  8. Johncv

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    The FCC has no jurisdiction over a streaming service which is what HBOGo is. It the same service as Amazon Prime Video or Netflix. HBO make money from the service by charging the cable/sat companies based on the number of subscribers to HBO and charge a fee for each device it install on. This apply to MaxGo, Showtime, Epix. This add up to a big chunk of money. This money that not cover by your subscription fee. The CEO of HBO has stated in an interview that they are exploring the possibility of offering HBOGo as a stand alone service.
     
  9. tarheelblue32

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    HBOGO is considered to be part of what you get when you subscribe to HBO through your cable company. Since it is, in essence, part of your cable subscription, the FCC might arguably have some jurisdiction in this matter. But even assuming the FCC doesn't have the legal authority to do anything about this, it should still be made illegal. And if there weren't so much corruption in Congress it would be.
     
  10. Bigg

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    There is a simple answer. HBO should make authentication on ALL devices a requirement for carriage of HBO. That would put Comcast in line real quick!
     
  11. tarheelblue32

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    That is probably exactly what HBO did to make the smaller carriers comply, but Comcast and DirecTV are too big for them to threaten in this way. When the Comcast/Time Warner merger goes through, the problem will only get worse. Comcast is already too big for content providers to stand up to when they need to. The "free market" is clearly not working in this area, and what we need is government intervention/regulation.
     
  12. JosephB

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    The FCC does not have the authority to do anything about online streaming services.
     
  13. tarheelblue32

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    The who does?
     
  14. JosephB

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    You may be shocked to realize, but not everything has to be regulated to the core. No one does. The two companies work out an agreement. It's called free enterprise.

    I'm a two time Obama voter who is in favor of classifying ISPs as a common carrier and fully supportive of FCC regulations for things like net neutrality and CableCard or it's replacement, but even I realize that not every single thing in the marketplace has to be regulated or mandated from above.
     
  15. tarheelblue32

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    I would love to have a true "free market" for telecommunications services. Unfortunately, that isn't reality in most areas of this country. So if we can't have that, then I would much rather have regulated monopolies than unregulated monopolies, and right now we have a gross under-regulation in this area.
     
  16. JosephB

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    Online streaming services and IP set top boxes are not an industry with a monopoly.

    I absolutely agree that cable and telcos should be regulated. HBOGo, not so much.
     
  17. tarheelblue32

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    The whole principle behind the FCC forcing the CableCard standard in the first place was that consumers should be allowed to use whatever set-top box they want to receive the multimedia services that they pay cable companies for. Well, the set-top box I choose to receive the HBO service that I pay Comcast for is the Roku, so Comcast should have to allow me to use it. And Comcast standing in the way of me doing this certainly violates the spirit of the law.
     
  18. Bigg

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    CableCard covers linear video, and not VOD. Should every provider have to support TiVo and MCE for VOD? It's a similar thing...
     
  19. tarheelblue32

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    That's because VOD really didn't exist back in 1996 when Congress passed the Telecommunications Act. If an updated Telecommunications Act were passed today, I'm sure it would cover much more than just delivery of linear channels and would include things like VOD, and we would have a single, open standard for 2-way communications like AllVid. It's too bad that Congress is apparently unable to do anything useful these days.
     
  20. Bigg

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    I guess so. Linear video is still the core service. VOD and streaming and the like are ancillary services.
     
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