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Are these still "leased", not owned?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by videobruce, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

    Nov 30, 2012
    Buffalo NY
    The following was quoted form this review on Amazon;
    I was under the impression that wasn't the case anymore.
    Are these still "leased"? If you buy a used 'lifetime' unit, how does that play out?
  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    If you are talking about equipment from DirectTV then I believe they consider anything new that you get from them directly to be leased.

    If you are talking about a TiVo Premiere you buy then it is yours.

    If you live someplace where your cable company provides TiVo Premieres then those are also rentals.
  3. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

    Nov 30, 2012
    Buffalo NY
    No DirectTV or MSO TiCo's. Regular TiVo's.

    I did remember reading a number of years ago in their "Terms", something about this. I also remember reading on-line discussion on the same subject.
  4. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Any TiVo purchased off the shelf belongs to you. As already mentioned, DirecTiVos are considered to be leased, as are any TiVo provided by a CATV company. It is illegal to modify or deliberately damage any leased TiVo, but if you buy a TiVo from BestBuy, you are free to walk out the front door and smash it into bits with a sledgehammer in the parking lot, if you want. OTOH, if the TiVo provided by DTV or your CATV company bursts into flames during ordinary use, then they must replace the unit for you at minimal or no cost to you. If the one you bought at BB does the same one day after the warranty expires, then all you have is a heap of soot and slag on your hands. Note Product Lifetime Service is NOT a warranty of any sort.
  5. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

    Oct 14, 2004
    The linked review is from a crazy person. If you buy a TiVo at retail, you own it.
  6. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    Maybe they were referring to the promo 2 years ago (which was not a lease) where you could get a Premiere for "free" (ie no upfront costs) by signing up for a 2-year commitment at a higher rate - $19.99 per month. But again this was not a lease.


    # Sign up for a new 2-year monthly subscription commitment to the TiVo service at $19.99 per month plus tax, and get a TiVo Premiere box for no upfront cost.
    # If you cancel the TiVo service before your commitment ends, an early termination fee will apply equal to the full retail value of the TiVo Premiere box equal to $299.99 minus the difference between the service bundle plan’s monthly fee and $12.95 for each month of your subscription that you fulfilled, except as permitted by the 30-Day Money Back Guarantee.
    # After your 2-year commitment ends, you will automatically continue to receive the TiVo service at the same rate on a month-to-month basis. Pricing is guaranteed not to increase for the life of the DVR (not the subscriber), as long as the initial subscription remains active. Price guarantee is not transferrable to any other subscriber or DVR.
    # Money Back Guarantee applies only to initial activations if canceled within 30 days and the TiVo box is returned for a full refund.
    # The TiVo box will not work without a paid subscription to the TiVo service.
    # If you cancel within 30 days of activation (which is typically the date your order ships), you will receive a full refund if you return the TiVo Premiere box within 15 days of cancellation. The shipping charge for the return is at your expense. If you do not return the TiVo box or you change your subscription plan within the first 30 days of activation, you will be charged a “Non-returned Equipment Fee” equal to the MSRP of the TiVo Premiere box.
  7. takeshi

    takeshi Member

    Jul 22, 2010
  8. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

    Nov 30, 2012
    Buffalo NY
    Thanks for that link, their "Terms" as usual is long, hard to read, and I didn't have my attorney present. ;) I did read it once a couple of years ago, but things do change.

    Amazing how facts get twisted around.

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