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Any way to tell Roamio to auto tune HD channels?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by anthonymoody, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    It's not whether this is a good or bad idea. The issue is where does TiVo focus limited programming resources. This has to be pretty far down the list, if it's on the list at all.
     
  2. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    Precisely. Removing the SD channels from the guide doesn't address the OP's complaint.
     
  3. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    Nothing short of TiVo making this 'deficiency' their number 1 priority and 'fixing' it in the next release will address the OP's complaint. Of course, by that time, his children will be so irreparably harmed by the need to remember HD channel numbers, the issue might be moot, except for the class action lawsuit. :D
     
  4. alfred01234

    alfred01234 New Member

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    I wish tivo could simply remove channels from a menu.
    I tried to un-check then from channel line up but if you type 2 SD 2 pops up not HD 2.

    Either Tivo or Comcast should be able to do something.
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Because there is no HD 2.
     
  6. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    Perhaps the person pressing the '2' has a role to play? Nah.
     
  7. btoups

    btoups New Member

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    I did not know that other DVR's did this. I always thought it was crazy that I was expected to keep an ever expanding database of SD/HD channels that change frequently (on Comcast anyway) in my head. In my area there is little correlation between SD and HD numbering. And many channels have 1 low# SD, 1 High# SD, and 1 High #HD. So YES, I admit to watching SD channels sometimes because I just dont feel like trying to find the HD version. These devices are purposefully built around CONVENIENCE, so yeah, I do tend to believe this should be built in... Wait, let me correct myself, their ONLY purpose for existence is CONVENIENCE! Now if TIVO thinks building the OPTIONAL mapping would not be widely accepted as a major improvenent and selling point, then they are out of touch with their customers.

    This is from a 10year+ Sub, currently with 4 tivos.
     
  8. Devx

    Devx New Member

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    Sometimes these forums are really eye-opening. It's surprising to read the number of posts from those that watch Live TV. Not that there's anything wrong with that but I thought the intent of a DVR was for time-shifting and watching TV on one's own schedule. While, at least based on the posts I've seen, there's a certain contingent of users that would benefit from channel mapping, there's another group that wouldn't even notice the feature (like myself). I won't say never, but it's just extremely rare when I watch live TV, and even then, it's usually being recorded by a SP.

    Hopefully Tivo has some data on this so they know how to prioritize development of new features. It's interesting because the Tivo has the data and can find the show airing on the HD channel but getting to that UI (Explore shows, upcoming) from a user standpoint isn't ideal for every channel.
     
  9. MScottC

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    DevX, I've said this on many occasions, and I'll say it again. Even though I started with TiVo way before most on this forum, having purchased my S1 in November of 1999, I still watch live TV slightly delayed." Both my wife and I watch what is on TV now, first one channel, then with the S3, two channels, bouncing back and forth, and now with 6 tuners, we go all over the place. A lot of it may be season pass material that has started recording, but often we just walk into the house, turn on the TV and tune in the channels we want, if they aren't already there. We are not unique, and it makes as valid a use of TiVo as someone who stores hours and hours of material on their incredibly huge HDs. (I also was very early in putting in larger HDs in both my S1 and S3.) For me there is a certain joy in hearing a song I love on the radio, or seeing a show or movie I wanted to see pop up on TV somewhere. While I had a large collection of albums, both vinyl and CD, I don't download mp3s, nor do I have any VHS, DVDs or BluRays. The one VHS I ever purchased was watched once, and put away to never be viewed again. I like being surprised by finding something on now, whether it be a song, show, movie, etc. But indeed, we do love our regular shows, and TiVo works perfectly for that just the way it is. Oh yes, I'd like the Autotune to HD that the OP is asking for, but given all the other advantages of TiVo, I'm not about to abandon it. I do think it's a great request, but I'm not gonna whine over it.
     
  10. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    There was a poll here a few months ago that we telling on this, the results were something like 60-70% of the users here watched live TV several times each week.

    So, while users can obviously use their box however they want, I still think they are crazy. :) But, others hate suggestions and probably think I'm crazy. :) I use them in lieu of live TV "surfing" as they are already designed based upon what I record and don't record.
     
  11. swerver

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    I'm new to tivo (about 18 months now) and one thing I didn't expect from this forum is the near constant attempts from the "I never watch live tv" crowd to "correct" the viewing behavior of others. It's similar to the people that will tell you all about how they don't have a tv at all. They bring it up constantly, they want to make sure you know how "advanced" they are. I think they just want to feel superior. Honestly, who cares if someone uses the tivo differently than you do? Give it up people. This is a completely valid and useful feature. That you personally wouldn't use it doesn't mean much at all. It's something simple they could do to make the product better, that's all. It doesn't have to be a #1 priority to improve the product. It's almost like a defense mechanism - everyone here dumps on cable co. dvrs, and rightly so, but in this case one of them provides a useful feature that tivo doesn't, and people act as though tivo is above such a silly feature for silly unadvanced live tv watchers. Instead of just saying, yes that is something tivo could easily do that would make it better, even if I myself wouldn't use it.
     
  12. DaveDFW

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    I think this would be a difficult feature for Tivo themselves to implement. They would have to know every channel lineup on every cable system and a create substitution map for each channel.

    The MSOs are in a much better position to add this functionality. Especially with their own DVRs, they control all the pieces needed to make this happen--knowledge of the channel map and ownership of the hardware.

    This solution could easily be implemented with SDV. Any time a device requests an SDV channel, the head end will always return the best-quality version of that network. Tivo the entity doesn't even have to be involved in this channel substitution scheme beyond producing SDV-compliant hardware.
     
  13. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't have said it better myself. I've never understood why some people get all bent out of shape just because someone requests a feature that they don't personally have a use for. They are clearly incapable of taking a step back and realizing that not every single person shares their exact viewpoint. I see this type of confrontational attitude all the time, and it's not just on the TiVo forums. Sadly, there are people like this on all the various online forums I visit.
     
  14. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member

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    The easiest solution would be to allow custom mapping by the user.
     
  15. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Well there's a zillion things they should implement as options for the user, hell clear QAM channel mapping was a good candidate a few years ago. Most here aren't saying this is a bad idea, just that it's so low down on the list of things they should do because it's not a feature that most here care about, and it's more of a user issue anyway.
     
  16. TivoQueensDad

    TivoQueensDad New Member

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    And for those who have both HD & SD sets in their house, or a Tivo on one and a cable box on the other - please learn 2 different set of numbers that have no relation to each other for every channel you watch.


    It's a simple fix. It should be just as simple to to put a toggle in (setting - Tune to HD equivalent - YES or NO) for those who enjoy torturing themselves learning 3 digit numbers to replace the 1 and 2 digit channels you've been tuning to for 10 years. Tivo provides a directory of channels for every provider. How difficult is it to bind the SD-HD channels for those who prefer a simpler solution?

    ...and I can see some spouses who are not the "TV person" never breaking their old habits.
     
  17. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Even if I still had an SD set i would still be tuning to the HD channels. Just outputting in an SD resolution. I've always preferred to watch a widescreen broadcast even back in the 80's and 90's with video tapes, than have 40% of the picture cut off.

    I figure if my GF can adjust to HD channels, then anyone can do it.
     
  18. nysatelliteman

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    Hi,,,I have a Series 3 Tivo with a SDV tuning adapter from Time Warner Cable in Manhattan, New York City. And, annoyingly, it IS mapping the HD version of channels to the lower SD channel number. When I press 4, for example-- the NBC SD station-- it is giving me the HD version from channel 704. When I want Standard Definition CNBC-- Ch 15-- I get the HD version from Ch 715. I just noticed this today.

    Why don't I like it? For one, I want to save recording space. One can never have enough space to record, and I don't like being forced to record in HD. Secondly, the HD version of CNBC, for example, has distracting data on the side of the screen I would rather not see. And 3rd, sometimes the HD version of a channel shrinks the image too much and-- if I'm watching on a smaller sized TV screen-- would much rather view the larger SD version.

    So, count me in for choice.

    I'm not sure if Tivo is doing this, or if it's Time Warner Cable's SDV tuning adapter "telling" the Tivo what to do. I know my TV with a cable card-- without the tuning adapter-- still displays the SD version of channels, as well. As stated above, I don't like being forced to watch the HD version when it takes up dvr space when recording, and based on one's screen size, it is not always the "best" way to view something.
     
  19. rainwater

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    That has nothing to do with TiVo or the tuning adapter. The mapping is provided by the cablecard. In my area Charter maps 2-99 to the digital SD version but I have heard of some companies mapping to the HD version. There is no way around this as the TiVo can only use the mapping data provided.
     
  20. nysatelliteman

    nysatelliteman New Member

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    Hi Rainwater....If the mapping is provided by the cablecard, why is my TV tuner-- a TV which uses a cablecard but NOT using the Tivo/tuning adapter-- showing SD on the given channel while the Tivo/tuning adapter shows the HD version?

    All devices - the Tivo, tuning adapter, TV and the cablecards are connected to the same service-- NYC's Time Warner Manhattan.
     

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