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any other reasons to keep Series 3 TiVo over a Mini?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by buscuitboy, Jan 5, 2014.

Which option sounds the best?

Poll closed Jul 13, 2014.
  1. Ditch the two lifetime S3s in favor of a single lifetime Mini

    9 vote(s)
    36.0%
  2. Keep the two lifetime S3s for now

    5 vote(s)
    20.0%
  3. Ditch the two lifetime S3s for a 4-tuner Roamio instead?

    11 vote(s)
    44.0%
  1. Jan 5, 2014 #1 of 37
    buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    Long story, but I am in a situation where I could basically sell two lifetimed Series 3 TiVos (a TCD648250B and a TCD652160) on ebay. From what I can tell, probably get about $200-250 for each of them.

    I could then get a lifetimed TiVo mini (Yes, I do also have a 4-tuner Premiere in my network). I am wondering if I should do it or not & comparing some of the reasons.

    As far as I can initially see, the main advantages of course is the mini has a much faster interface (that is also HD), can "stream" flagged material from my Premieres (aka...my Comcast HBO recordings) & no use or potential expense of a cable card.

    Only real advantages I can see for keeping the Series 3s are primarily having more network storage for recordings. However, can ONLY transfer non-flagged content (In other words, can't transfer HBO recordings). Can't stream to/from at all with Series 3s.

    Any other advantages/disadvantages for keeping one over the other?
     
  2. Jan 5, 2014 #2 of 37
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    You didn't mention - get rid of the two S3's and purchase a Roamio Plus and a Mini. That's what I did and I couldn't be happier!

    If you want the OTA compatibility, then get the Roamio Basic. If you see yourself staying with cable, get the 6 tuner Roamio Plus.
     
  3. Jan 6, 2014 #3 of 37
    BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

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    Does Comcast charge high Additional Outlet Fees where you live? That'd be another plus for the Minis. You could also '86 the cablecards and just keep the S3's for storage.

    I guess it really comes down to how much storage and how many tuners you need.
     
  4. Jan 6, 2014 #4 of 37
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    If you already have a 4 tuner Premiere and don't actually need the tuners in the S3 units then converting them to Minis is a no brainer.

    The two other things you would lose by converting to Mini from a S3, besides storage and tuners which you know, is the ability to play Amazon downloads and the ability to get shows from a PC using pyTiVo. Although in both cases there are workarounds you can use if you really need that functionality.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2014 #5 of 37
    buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    I had thought about this, but I was hoping to move to lifetime equipment. A lifetime Roamio and lifetime Mini are probably going to cost me about $850 up front. I realize that after selling the S3s, it would make it a net cost of about $400, but not an expense I was looking to incur right now.



    I thought about this too, but I apparently have been REAL lucky as I am getting charged only $1.50/month for each of my cable cards (5 of them). I guess if I was getting charged the $10/month per cable card that I hear Comcast is charging some others, it would be a no brainer to move to one or more minis.

    The Amazon Downloads is not a big deal, but I totally forgot about the pyTiVo ability and actually use this on occasion. Good point.
     
  6. Jan 6, 2014 #6 of 37
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Well for pyTiVo you can initiate the download to the main 4 tuner unit and then stream it to the Mini from there. Even while it's still transferring. Not quite as convenient, but workable.
     
  7. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    The Minis use less electricity as well. Replace them with Minis!
     
  8. pmiranda

    pmiranda New Member

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    Here's one.. I kept my 2006 S3 when I got a Premiere in 2012, and (with a new hard drive and power supply) the S3 is still going strong but the premiere's video output seems to have died already. They don't build them like they used to :)
    (Luckily the Premiere is still under warranty, which is novel for me... usually stuff breaks well after.)
     
  9. sushikitten

    sushikitten 143 down, ??? to go! TCF Club

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    This. Our S3 has far fewer problems than our newer Premiere (which has been replaced three times in 18 months).
     
  10. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    Interesting as I recently got a 2-tuner Premiere with lifetime. Its basically only a week old, but I wonder if I should get an extended warranty for it. Tivo is offering one for $30 or Squaretrade has them for about $15 (3 yrs).

    I have never been a fan of extended warranties, but have been wanting to give Squaretrade a try and at only $15, it might be worth a shot.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I have several Premiere units ranging from 4 years old to a year old. All of them still work fine. Like anything it's luck of the draw.

    Although if you're going to get lifetime service an extended warranty is a good idea.
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Provided that the extended warranty covers the lifetime sub as well as the hardware.
     
  13. pmiranda

    pmiranda New Member

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    My understanding is the warranty and the lifetime cover one box replacement. Personally I'd prefer a repair if possible since it's less hassle with pairing cablecards and losing recordings, season passes, etc.
     
  14. mattack

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    One issue that is probably ignorable for most people is that if you have a program with a glitch in it (that will then not successfully transfer to a computer), you can transfer it to a S3, then transfer from _after_ the glitch point with "transfer from paused point" in kmttg.

    I realize that sounds like a very very very small use case, and is, but I run into glitchy recordings every once in a while, and often keep musical performances, which tend to be near the end of shows.. So likely will sell my P4 (I bought a Roamio recently) and keep my TivoHD.. that being one of the reasons...
     
  15. HF444

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    Which would be better to hold on to?

    The Series 3, which is older, or the HD which is newer ?
     
  16. Wil

    Wil Senile Member

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    That, of course, is your choice with the S3 (or HD or earlier). With the later units like the mini you don't have that choice. I personally see that as a huge advantage to the S3.
     
  17. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    If both are lifetimed, the S3, because you (by which I mean someone skilled in unsoldering and resoldering Surface Mount Devics) can move the crypto chip (which holds the TiVo Service Number to which the lifetime sub is tied) to another S3/648 motherboard if that one dies, thus moving the subscription and saving all of your recordings which are also tied to the TSN.

    Beginning with the HD, there was no separate crypto chip, it's all built into the CPU, which is much harder to move.
     
  18. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    Except that the most likely failure would be a hard drive. Does TiVo back the user data (obviously excluding the recordings themselves) up to the cloud? What would be even more amazing is if it was smart enough to have a list of what you recorded, and try to re-record it if the drive failed or you switched to another box...
     
  19. pmiranda

    pmiranda New Member

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    In theory the season passes and list of shows will remain on TiVo.com although the nifty season pass manager that would let you move them from box to box doesn't seem to be working at the moment. It wouldn't be impossible for them to do as you suggest but I'm looking at this as an early, forced, spring cleaning.
     
  20. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    And my Elite has been more reliable than the couple of Tivo HDs that preceded it, even with the new HDUI.

    YMMV, but you can't say that any one series is better than the others reliability-wise.
     

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