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Any compelling reason to upgrade from series 2?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by stormtech, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Thank you for clarifying this for me.

    While I have no immediate need to upgrade my TV right now, I was just trying to be sure that if I had to buy a new one, either Tivo box would work with it.
     
  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    The simple answer is everything will "work" with everything...But (there always is a But :p) if how it works is acceptable or not is another matter.

    The are several things that happened in the last few years:

    • Cable has moved from analog only to a combination of analog and digital, and will end up digital only
    • Over the air (OTA) broadcast have moved from analog to mostly digital (there very few low power analog channels left) and will be all digital soon.
    • At the same time we have/are moving from stand definition (SD) to high definition (HD) TV. Just for reference analog can only be SD TV but digital can be SD or HD.
    • In addition the aspect ratio of programs made for TV has changed from 4:3 (most older CRT TVs) to 16:9. At this point nearly all new TVs are 16:9 HD flat panels. They can display older 4:3 and/or SD content but it might look like sh**.
    • older Series 1 & 2 TiVos are SD only analog devices and can record from analog (cable and OTA depending on the model) or any cable/satellite Set top box (STB). They will work with any TV including new HD TVs but the content might look like sh**.
    • Series 3 and dual tuner Premiere TiVos are HD digital devices and can record from analog or digital SD and HD cable and OTA. Cable cards are required for digital cable. They will work with any TV.
    • Premiere 4 & XL4 TiVos are HD digital devices and can only record from digital cable. Cable cards are required for digital cable. They will work with any TV.
     
  3. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Wow - fantastic summary! This has put it all in perspective for me and I think I've made a decision on what to do.

    I am paying what I think is quite a low price for the cable TV that I now have. don't watch all that much TV so what I have now is sufficient.

    Being that it is fairly inevitable that the cable company will eventually switch over to all digital, when they do I am sure I will have to pay more at that point.

    Since my TV is fairly antiquated, it kind of makes a good match for my current S2 receiver. I now understand why the new TV's are a more rectangular shape being that the new standard ratio is 16:9. Also I was talking with my wife about this over lunch, and said that it was mentioned here that if I ever witnessed HDTV, I would probably be blown away. She said that her parents have HD, and it is in fact something to see.

    So my plan of action (or inaction) for now is to not change anything. I am so glad to learn here that the change over to digital is inevitable. At that point, I will go ahead and buy a new TV, and more than likely get DirecTV - they seem to always have a promotion going that includes a DVR for free, and HD programming with them is standard (don't have to pay an extra fee).

    I really appreciate all the responses - what a great group you have here! I've learned a lot in these couple pages for sure. I always want to be an informed consumer, but am very lax with my knowledge of TV and audio. At least now I know that sometime in the near future I will have to upgrade my equipment (TV & DVR) and will not be so lost when the time comes.
     
  4. shwru980r

    shwru980r Active Member

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    I think the S2 picture is good on a small 19" LCD TV.
     
  5. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    If you are satisfied with analog, then you could get a dual-tuner Series2 Tivo with lifetime for less than the Premeire without lifetime. The only caveat is that the S2DT will only work with cable - no OTA.
     
  6. smithken31100

    smithken31100 Member

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    Absolutely true but for now it is useful. The shows I record on the series 2 are repeated often so if I miss any I can catch them with the Premiere.
     
  7. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    Still an number of cable providers that include analog versions. I have Suddenlink and they do. Also, my daughter in Iowa lives in a giant apartment complex that includes TV service with it's own special lineup from the cable company. It is analog and I suspect that is not an uncommon situation. There is a new college apartment complex here that does the same thing.
     
  8. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    I will tell you that I had a Series 2 dual tuner and was able to get it lifetimed for $99 so you may want to at least try this instead of paying $129 a year. I wound up selling it a year later on ebay and got MORE than what I paid for the lifetime so it paid for itself there. Keep in mind though that a lifetimed S2 is worth less these days then when I sold it (late 2012) & keeps decreasing over time so don't get it based solely on resale value.

    Also, I will tell you that I have gotten some Series 3s off Craigslist for about $30 each & was then also able to ultimately lifetime them for $99 without buying a new Premiere. Now, I already had a monthly Premiere on my account and I would initially sign up these used Series 3s for just a monthly subscription. Since there is a free 30 day period, I would then call them & basically told them if I can't $99 lifetime the Series 3, then I was gonna cancel BOTH the series 3 and the monthly Premiere. This seemed to be enough motivation to make them give me the $99 lifetime option for the series 3s.

    This is just my experience and worked for me, but maybe you can somehow use a similar tactic; Get a Series 3 off craigslist or ebay for cheap. Sign it up, but then call TiVo within 30 days and ask to lifetime the series 3. Threaten to cancel BOTH Tivos (your current S2 and the S3) if they don't apply the $99 lifetime to the Series 3 box. I would bet the chances are good that they would apply it, but not totally sure either.
     
  9. moedaman

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    Yep, Comcast still has analog on at my son's college dorm. When I set-up his 22" lcd tv, I scanned 60 analog and 20 digital channels. He ended up buying a 80gb lifetimed S2 for $75 to use there.
     
  10. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    So you mean you plug the cable directly into the Tivo and NOT a cable box, right?
     
  11. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Yes - that is correct.

    And to add - I think I jinxed myself now - my 15+ year old tube TV is going out. So I am off to start the first stage of this upgrade sooner than I thought with buying a new TV.
     
  12. ThreeSoFar

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    OMG, you will not regret the upgrades. Both to your TiVo and to HD.

    Definitely go lifetime. If you got your S2 in 2004 (they came out in 2002), you've paid over $1K in subscriptions, plus the initial hardware cost. I didn't read the whole thread, not sure if you need 4 tuners. But I just got (11 June) an offer from TiVo for a $449 500GB TiVo Premiere that includes lifetime service.

    That there's a no brainer.

    PS: PM me if you do not see that offer. Also, for $100 or so (depending on current drive prices) you can put that original 500GB drive on a shelf as backup and dupe it to a 2TB drive, giving you 300 hours of HD and a billion (give or take) of SD.
     
  13. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

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    FWIW, the 4tuner one is only $549 lifetimed. However, I don't like that option--they took away OTA with the 4 tuner P4.
     
  14. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    My only option right now is the standard Premier 2 tuner unit as none of the rest will work with my analog cable.

    At this point, even though I just ordered a new TV, I am going to keep my S2 unit. Upgrading at this point to just the 2 tuner premier unit isn't that much of an upgrade except for storage capacity. Also, if/when my cable company forces digital on me, I will likely be switching to DirecTV. The cable service I have now is pretty bad - the only reason I am sticking with it right now is being grandfathered in at old prices for basic cable. So with that, upgrading my Tivo unit or even getting a lifetime subscription isn't worth it as I don't know how long it will be before I need to change providers.
     
  15. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Ok folks - I'd like to know more about upgrading to a Premier unit.

    When going through the process of getting a new TV, it came to me about the availability to have Netfilx etc. I've never used such a service, but it sounds interesting for the price.

    If I would get the 2 tuner Premier unit, how does it work with Netflix? Is it all interconnected somehow? How are the shows from Netflix downloaded to the Tivo unit? I do have my current unit connected via WiFi, but it seems to me it would be rather slow that way. I do have ethernet wiring available - can the Premier unit be connected via ethernet cable or would it be WiFi only? If WiFi, how long does it take to download a 1 hour show?
     
  16. wmcbrine

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    Netflix movies are streamed in real time, not downloaded. (Amazon movies are downloaded, though.) WiFi should be fast enough, although wired is always more reliable.

    I should probably mention that you can get the Netflix capability from a Roku, which is a lot cheaper than a TiVo and doesn't need a subscription. Then again, it's nice to have everything on one box.
     
  17. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Ok - thanks. That brings the question - does the Premier unit have an ethernet port? While you say that WiFi would work OK, I'd like to hook it up via enternet directly to my router for the best connection.
     
  18. bshrock

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    Yes, all the Premieres have an Ethernet port
     
  19. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    Good deal. I figured if I had an ethernet connection available, might as well use it. I had a line run to my daughters bedroom years ago - just pulled it from there are routed it to my TV area - tested and works great.
     
  20. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    Just to put in a plug for a fellow Community member, I think ReplayTV still has one lifetimed 2-channel Premeire for sale at $350. Check the Buy/Sell forum.
     

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