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Any compelling reason to upgrade from series 2?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by stormtech, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Instead of a box the Premiere unit uses a device called a CableCARD to get those stations. Basically it allows the Premiere to act like a cable box and get all the digital channels via it's internal tuners.
     
  2. GBL

    GBL covert opiniative

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    with a Premier 4 you may get them without a CableCARD but for scheduling data you will need a CableCARD from Zito. If they don't offer one (they appear to be a small operator and maybe exempt from the FCC's CableCARD support requirement) a Premiere 4 may not be a good option for you.
     
  3. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    More good info folks.

    Until I find out more about if Zito uses a CableCard, I am going with the premise that I will be just getting the 2 tuner unit for analog. My original questions were answered, plus I learned a lot more from this thread.

    So from my original query, here is a summary of what I've learned:

    The 500gb would give me a huge jump in storage - a very good thing!
    Access to Netflix etc. - not something I would normally use but nice to have access.
    Newer technology - even though I hate to pay for it, I like to keep current with my computers and gear.
    May very well be the last of the units to record analog signal.

    I don't see myself upgrading to digital or HD anytime in the near future since I hate paying for stuff like this as I said above.

    And a little side note about Zito Media. This is what is left from the Adelphia empire. John Regis lived ~30 miles from me - I actually worked for him personally for a few years at his show farm. He was a very generous man to the local people. In my instance, he ran a cable line 9 miles from the nearest connection to give only 17 people access to cable TV and high speed internet. If not for him I would still be on satellite TV and satellite internet. One of the sons (grandson?) was able to hold on to just the local service area after Adelphia was broken up. So yes, a very small provider, but I am still grateful to have the service living way out in the boonies!
     
  4. wmcbrine

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    One option would be to get the two-tuner (analog-capable) Premiere, hook it up to analog cable without a CableCard (so, no extra fee), but then also connect it to an antenna (it has two inputs), to pick up your local broadcast stations in HD. The TiVo will happily integrate both channel lineups.
     
  5. replaytv

    replaytv gun talk ignore list

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    Series 2 Tivos go for around $50 on ebay, or even less if you want lifetime basic. So for less than you are paying for yearly service on one TiVo you could lifetime service forever on two TiVos.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tivo-Series...DVRs_Hard_Drive_Recorders&hash=item5af1fd4a2d
     
  6. unitron

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    I don't recognize that model number.

    On the back of the unit where the power cord plugs in there should be a sticker and on that sticker a model number that starts with TCD.

    What is that number?

    Have you ever replaced a hard drive in a computer before?
     
  7. shwru980r

    shwru980r Active Member

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    You might be able to find a cheap Tivo HD on craig's list and and switch your plan over to that one or else pay $12.95 per month.
     
  8. poppagene

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    The prices discussed included an already prepaid lifetime subscription. The subcription conveys to the new owner of the box without any further charges from Tivo.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Why would anyone get a S2 at this point? I have several in my closet just collecting dust. Even with a SDTV the hassle of using a cable box and IR blasters would steer me toward at least a S3.
     
  10. smithken31100

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    My S2DT isn't connected to a cable box and works fine, apparently Brighthouse is still sending analog.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    For now. But they could switch all your channels to digital tomorrow and then it would be useless.
     
  12. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    The 9410 number is what I got from looking at my Tivo account. The actual number from the back of the unit is:

    TCD649080

    And yes, I've replaced many a hard drive in my computers including just upgrading myself to an SSD for my OS and programs and using my hard drive for all my data.

    Also looking at the Tivo settings, I see it must be an 80 hour unit. It shows 80 hours available at the least quality recording. I have set on one above that "good" which gives me 48 hours.

    While the idea of getting a second series 2 with a lifetime subscription seems like a feasible idea, I really don't like the idea of buying a 5-6 year old electronic device from ebay.

    And as far as a lifetime subscription, I didn't opt into that when I first bought my present unit as I didn't trust it to keep working for 5 years of more, or would be compelled to upgrade before the break even point. Electronic devices change so quickly these days.
     
  13. dravrah1

    dravrah1 New Member

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    I had 3 S2s (2 with lifetime) collecting dust for 3+ years and I finally got around to trying to sell them a couple of weeks ago. I was able to sell all 3 on Craigslist for $150. The guy I sold them to said he was going to use them with analog cable and it sounded like he lived a little bit out in the boonies.

     
  14. poppagene

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    You're throwing away money by paying $129 a year for service when you could buy a suitablle subsitute for $50 that includes service for the life of the unit. Clearly you need to replace the series 2 you have sooner rather than later and if you want to add another do so as well. You can revisit the upgrade to s newer model later when your cable company drags you into the digital age.
     
  15. MHunter1

    MHunter1 TiVo Bug Hunter

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    Hold on to analog as long as you can. Your cableco should provide plenty of warning before it goes all-digital. I would still be using my Series 2 Dual Tuner if Comcast hadn't discontinued analog transmission last year, forcing me to upgrade.

    My household has no HDTVs, so we have to use the bug-infested SDUI on our two Premiere 4/XL4/Elites. The fall update v20.2.2.1 on December 5 ruined the SDUI's My Shows list when Groups are off, and the spring update v20.3.1 on May 16 caused the systemwide font to become faint, among other bugs which TiVo's tech support claims are "intended" changes. Yeah, right. More like inept programmers and deficient beta testing.

    You don't know the frustration you'll be in for with the Premiere's SDUI, and no fixes are in sight. If it weren't for Wish Lists and the fact I can transfer my favorite shows to a PC to strip out the commercials, I'd be using a cableco DVR.
     
  16. unitron

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    That's the dual tuner S2, or S2DT as we call it around here.

    I've got a couple of them I bought used that have been chugging right along for about 2 or 3 years now.

    That particular model seems to have mostly dodged the power supply problems caused by "capacitor plague" which have cropped up in the other S2s and the S3s, so a lifetime sub on it would probably have been a good investment when it was new, but of course that requires that you be able to see into the mysterious future.

    It can use 2 1TB drives, although as far as I know it can't use 1 2TB drive.

    You'll need an aftermarket dual drive bracket to put 2 drives in it.

    Since people with S3s are getting the $99 lifetime deal on them when they buy and subscribe an S4, you should ask TiVo if they'll do a deal on lifetime for your S2DT.

    That'll give it some resale value.

    The monthly rate on an S4 may be higher than the rate you pay now, so nail that down in advance.

    You might want to do some reading in the Premiere threads, as some people do have some problems with them.

    Which is not to say that the various S3s never have problems, but apparently fewer.

    A lifetimed S3 at a good price, if you can find one, may be worth your consideration.

    You can upgrade one to a 2TB drive (as you can that 500GB Premiere).
     
  17. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I thought it was the HDUI that was buggy and half-finished on the S4s?
     
  18. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    What? The HDUI is bad, the SDUI is bad...

    The HDUI in a premier works fine and is faster then your current S2 system. The SDUI in a permier is lightning fast and will have a similar interface as your S2 system.

    If you ever plan on upgrading your tube TV to a modern flat screen TV, the S2 is out of date old tech and will not support it.

    FTLOG
     
  19. stormtech

    stormtech New Member

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    This is an interesting point - one that I didn't think of.

    Please excuse my nativity - I know nothing about TV's, high definition, etc.

    I guess my TV is pretty old - I don't know if it is actually a tube type, but it is a behemoth in size with a 30" screen. I relate it to a CRT monitor.

    So, are you saying that if I upgrade to a flat screen TV, my present S2 box will not work with it? If not, would the Premier unit work with either my old TV or a new one?

    I actually dread the day I have to buy a new TV as I am not familiar with all the acronyms and features. Now I even begin to wonder if a new TV would even work at all with my analog cable......
     
  20. wmcbrine

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    CRT= Cathode Ray Tube. If your screen is curved glass, this is what you have. Most old TVs are this.

    Technically the S2 will work with most newer TVs, it just won't take advantage of their full capabilities. Odds are, the picture will look terrible. The Premiere is compatible with older TVs, although if the set only has an RF (coax) input, you'll need a converter for that (an old VCR will do).
     

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