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Another Roamio disappointment

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bmgoodman, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    As long as TiVo does not say the Roamio is has the skills you want, as you put it, skills that TiVo never said it had, this post should be in the suggestion part of this Forum.
     
  2. dswallow

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    At the rate things are going my next pair of shoes is likely to support DLNA streaming to my TV. Practically everything can do it. But not the "most advanced television recording device"... heck the stupid thing barely can manage its own feature set, let alone third-party "supported" apps. (I just noticed the Netflix itty-bitty-window that usually shows the credits now is showing a tiny window into the full screen of the credits rather than the full screen shrunken down to the tiny window.)

    I imagine we might see that one fixed in the 2017 update -- presuming they don't replace the Roamio line with yet another name and then abandon work on older models.

    The only thing I can really credit the Roamio with is being fast at what it does as whenever I end up back in the Premier (that I have to keep active because the Roamio fails recording so much) and it's just amazing how I could ever have endured that agonizingly slow interface. And I suppose that's why I never used the HD interface on the Series 3. :)

    Words cannot express how disappointed I've become over the last few years and few iterations with TiVo's product. Their name is now synonymous with the antithesis of innovation in this market category. They are now existing almost exclusively on the work they did a decade and longer ago.
     
  3. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Funny thing about all this lack of DLNA support in the Roamio talk:

    Back in the speculation thread, where everybody was guessing what the Roamio would bring and stating their hopes, I brought up DLNA support, since it hadn't come up yet.

    I got sacked by multiple members, from multiple directions... Who would even want DLNA? What good was it? DLNA is junk! I pretty much excused myself from participating in such a hostile thread.

    If DLNA is so bad, useless, flawed, and all the other negative things it was called, in the speculation thread, then why is it one of the things I use the most when not watching TiVo recordings, and it never gives me any problems?

    I think TiVo is just afraid of giving us the power to "bring our own content", such as via NAS devices. They'd have to figure out some way to make their analytics work to sell our DLNA usage data, as well as figure out how to force us to see ads while viewing DLNA content. Gotta get the Charmin promo in our face somehow...
     
  4. bmgoodman

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    Thanks, nooneuknow, for the feedback. Above all else remember to "enjoy the go!"TM :D
     
  5. Chris Gerhard

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    TiVo is a great one box solution if you only want the things it does well. For me, TiVo is a great DVR, nothing more and I rely on Google TV and a network PC for everything else. There is no one box solution for me, everything else falls short, not just TiVo. I have certainly been happy with DLNA for my network file playback needs but I have seen many others indicate it isn't well suited for theirs. Plex, PlayOn, and PlayLater have become really useful for me.
     
  6. DarcyM

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    I use DLNA all the time. I am so glad my TV has it built in. Every now and then I will fire up my Google TV to use plex for the pretty interface, but the DLNA is a god send to see all my MP4s on my TV. If TiVo wanted to, they could implement it fairly easy enough if they really wanted to. But sadly it doesn't seem they want to.
     
  7. Danziru

    Danziru New Member

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    I have to agree completely with most of the sentiment here. It's not a herculean task to add this functionality. Most phones have it built in, most smart TVs have it built in (LG and Samsung for sure for a few years now). I could go on. What really gets me is that I switched over from a retail Moxi HD DVR which came out in 2008 and played local media via DLNA just fine. My Tivo Roameo Pro was an upgrade in some respects, and a big step back in others.

    The key things for me are:
    1. I don't want another device if I don't need one. I want the "one box"
    2. Having other devices mean I need another 2 remotes. One to change the receiver input and then the device remote

    I have a roku which works well for this, but I shouldn't need it. It adds clutter and it's a whole bunch of extra stuff I need to teach the family. Please add support for local media. I would actually pass around a donation jar if I could!
     
  8. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I was just on the WD website, and spent a good chunk of time there:

    1. The WD TV Live Hub w/internal drive seems to be discontinued (or in limbo).

    2. The other products are moved-around, and the spec PDFs are pretty outdated on what I'm used to seeing there.

    3. They now have a "WD Elements Play" product that's like the Live Hub, minus the streaming services, and it's not on the main media player page.

    It's like they are following Roku's lead when it comes to naming their products in confusing ways, and recycling product names. Listed in order of features.

    1. WD TV Play - Streaming device for streaming services, USB, & NAS content.

    2. WD TV Live - Same as above, but adds "Plays MPEG2 videos and DTS audio"

    3. WD TV - Same as the two above, but adds "Share your Miracast-enabled Android screen on your TV" & "Customize your WD TV home screen".

    So, the plainly-named "WD TV" is now the King, as opposed to the lowest rank: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/homeentertainment/mediaplayers/

    Another page with the "WD Elements Play" on it (and other AV products): http://www.wdc.com/en/products/catalog/?segment=3

    The marketing and specs make the .ISO file playing seem questionable. Some products list as ISO/VOB supporting, but deeper in read like only VOB is supported.
     
  9. bmgoodman

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    Yes, the naming scheme by WD is pretty pathetic! The shocking part is that WD TV, the "king" as you put it, has no support for Netflix, while the two "lower" models still do.

    In my case, having Netflix on Tivo (hooray!), I didn't like the omission, but I'm going to live with another product that has a notable "hole" in its feature set.
     
  10. kdmorse

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    Their product naming is awful. Their website is awful. Their PDF's are awful.

    But, my WD TV Live does play .ISOs directly. Always has.

    I can't vouch for the ability of any other WD TV <*> products.
     
  11. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    They can add Netflix in a later software update. The first gen WD TV Live Hub originally did not have the Sling Player app, and it came in an update. The second gen shipped with it. I'm hoping since the other products are now third gen, that the Live Hub is just in limbo, rather than discontinued.

    Unlike TiVo, WD tries to make everything right before allowing public consumption. If they can't, they don't release it, or release it minus whatever they are having a problem with.

    Netflix is supposed to be able to run on anything. I don't believe that WD is going to leave it out of the WD TV (3rd gen) King of the current product lineup. I'd expect whatever the version that it gets, will be the best ever, on any device. If all third gen WD TV products nixed Netflix, I might start to worry about it not ever being available. Again, unlike TiVo, WD doesn't say "coming soon", or otherwise promise things before they are ready. Your WD TV has a newer chip than the others. So, unless that chip has a fatal Netflix flaw that can't be resolved, I'd think that WD is just waiting for Netflix to provision and provide the base software platform to build on, or Netflix just needs to update something on their end for the SoC used.

    It's better to know something is not included in a product, not be mislead, and wind up with a pleasant surprise one day in the future, as opposed to being lead to believe what's missing is about to "come soon", and keep hearing that until the next generation has come out.

    In TiVo's case, I really believe that the Roamio is the final hardware device TiVo will ever make (in the retail DVR space). They may make some hardware revisions, and release major hardware revisions of non-hard drive devices, like the Mini and Stream, perhaps even adding some new hardware features (which might include newer chipsets).

    Have you tested ISO file compatibility, so aaronwt can get his answer? If not, I guess I may just have to rip a DVD to ISO and see what happens.

    EDIT/ADD: I see kdmorse has verified the WD TV Live plays ISOs directly. It would be good to know the generation, and confirm/refute other generations and models.
     
  12. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Yeah, it's a real mess, which makes me think "mid refresh cycle".

    What generation is your unit, and what is the model number of it (that can help determine the generation).
     
  13. kdmorse

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    It has no other useful markings, so I hope that's enough. It's not the original launch generation (I think). But I've had it long enough that it might not be the current generation.

    However, I bought my father a seemingly identical one (I didn't compare part numbers) recently, just grabbed it off the shelf, it looks like mine, and it plays .ISOs as well. So I don't think that can be too many generations behind.
     
  14. Philmatic

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    The current favorite for handling local media and online streaming (In one box) is the Amazon FireTV. Supports Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and tons of other services, and because it's running Android, XBMC works amazingly well on it. $100.
     
  15. davezatz

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    The last year or so, Netflix has begun limit who runs their app. I know a few companies who don't meet Netflix's possibly shifting sales requirement. Tho can and do obviously cherry pick others as they go for strategic reasons. I wouldn't say it's a given WD gets Netflix on this new box (and for whatever it's worth my email to their PR person at launch on this question was ignored).
     
  16. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's good to know.

    Any way this is something that I could/should have read about somewhere?

    I'm not questioning what you say, just wondering if there might be some links to some relevant articles I (we) could review. I suppose they had to do something, or we'd be buying toasters with Netflix support in the future...
     
  17. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    The conversations I had were probably confidential, but I know at least two companies/products blocked out. Don't know if there's anything public but it seems to be common knowledge amongst many I've interacted with.
     

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