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Another Roamio disappointment

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bmgoodman, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    Let me start by saying I've been with Tivo for over a decade, and it's still my favorite DVR. But aside from the ongoing failure of getting streaming to Android devices to work, there's one thing that still really bothers me about my Roamio Pro: Home media access.

    I just shut down my old Windows Home Server that I built in 2008. I was using Tivo's Home Media apps to view my photos and listen to my music through the Tivo and it had worked just fine (despite its dated user interface).

    Now I bought a Synology DS412+ NAS that comes with seeming a lot of capability, to include DLNA. But I find that out-of-the-box, my state-of-the-art Roamio Pro won't talk to it at all!

    I've looked around, and it seems I can go through some Linux machinations to get PyTivo running on the DS412+, involving putty, ssh, and maybe some voodoo chant.

    I've also found some other media streaming boxes that apparently *will* talk to the DS412+ right out of the box. So I ask myself, *why* is this second generation "one box to rule them" Roamio Pro *still* not easily able to communicate with NAS devices?

    So now I put this issue up to the many of you who are much farther along than I am in this new "quest": here, in mid-2014, what do YOU recommend for viewing my personal photos, music, and movies (mostly home movies) on my 2007 HDMI HDTV?
     
  2. scicarb

    scicarb New Member

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    I feel your pain.I've owned seven TiVos over the years. Plus I've been a longtime pytivo user, but the Roamio won't reliably see the shares any more. So I'm seriously considering moving to Plex with a Roku or an android stick. This may be the last TiVo I buy. I'm also truly underwhelmed by the strategy to chase Apple in the mobile streaming market when they sell fewer devices than just Samsung. Overall the Roamio feels hobbled. Maybe they made too many compromises to make the cableco happy, or they dropped the ball in QA testing...either way it is less than it could have been.
     
  3. dianebrat

    dianebrat drastically off narrative TCF Club

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    So you're disappointed that a new box still doesn't do something that your old boxes also didn't do? and that Tivo didn't claim it could do?

    DLNA just has not ever been on Tivo's roadmap, it's just one of those things they don't feel is important (not saying I agree with them)
     
  4. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    Yes, I am disappointed. It's not 2005 any more. Or 2008. I still love it as a DVR. But a $900 box in 2014 should pretty much do everything the myriad also-rans can do. DLNA or UPnP or *something*. Tivo Desktop software for Windows was cutting edge around a decade ago (maybe). But the world is less windows-centric now. If they can toss in Netflix, Hulu, MLB, Spotify, Pandora, etc., I don't think I'm asking for the moon.

    Oh, and if you still think I'm not right to be disappointed, then let me fall back on the "promised" Android streaming that's still coming out just any day now....
     
  5. SullyND

    SullyND L:45-21 TCF Club

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  6. sheshechic

    sheshechic Member

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    It really is sad that Tivo doesn't offer Plex. IMO, it's easier than DLNA. Since they don't, you could either add Roku, Fire TV or a new TV to the mix. With Roku and Fire TV you can use Plex, plus Netflix and Amazon (including Prime) look and behave much better than on Tivo. With a tv upgrade you'll get DLNA.
     
  7. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    Ah, they announced this DLNA deal in just 2012? Well, no wonder it's not ready yet. It's probably slated to arrive just after android streaming, and at least a month before hell freezes over! ;)
     
  8. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    tivo has always been behind in services other than their core DVR strengths. it shouldnt be a surprise.
     
  9. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    This is why I have another device connected to each of my tv's. Tivo is a great DVR, but for streaming or DLNA you need to go with another box.
     
  10. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    I guess I foolishly thought the whole "one box to rule them all" advertising would have at least implied pulling content from a CIFS or NFS share on my home network without still needing "Tivo Desktop". Of course, I would have bought the box anyway, but I was hoping for just a bit more than what was delivered.
     
  11. tomhorsley

    tomhorsley Well-Known Member

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    This is why I run my computer with my TV as the primary display 99% of the time. I can play anything on my computer on my TV (or stream it from my computer to my android tablet :). Only when I want to watch live TV do I switch the display to the TiVo.
     
  12. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    That was advertising speak, which is nearly always BS for any product. Plus, it was for a different product, the Premiere, and was eventually dropped.

    Buy a product for what it actually does, not for what you would like it to do.

    pyTivo is awesome, the instructions i found by quickly searching for your NAS looked fairly simple to follow, even if you don't know linux. I use it in my WHS setup without issue.
     
  13. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I just can't help but notice how few devices that are TV-connected can even be found/bought these days, which don't support DLNA, even going back years ago. Other devices shipped without it, and got it later.
     
  14. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    They looked simple to me, too. The reality so far has been different. And I found some of the helper packages were abandoned. Installing a bootstrapper also means no software support from Synology. I'm still working through some dead ends.

    I think I'm going to save myself grief and buy a WD TV for $100 and use my TiVo for only DVR.

    Thanks
     
  15. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I own two WD TV Live Hubs with 1TB internal notebook drives. They are hands-down the best alternative for OTT apps via TiVo, IMO. YMMV, of course. When it comes to the most support, for the most formats and most standards, it's hard to beat.

    There is not a single complaint I have about them. The thing I've noticed, and many others have as well, is they have a gigabit ethernet port, and switch ports confirm gigabit connection, yet they only work at 100Mbit speeds. WD updates the software frequently, and gives FULL changelogs. I'm guessing if they could fix the slow networking, they would have by now.

    I use them as NAS storage for my laptop backups, and wish the gigabit worked at gigabit (or even just half of gigabit). One oddly absent feature is wireless. The hub models don't have wireless built in, so an external USB adapter is required. Flash drives and additional external drives can be hooked up to the USB 2.0 ports (3 total, supporting hubs for more).

    What I find odd about the choice of hard drive is that they didn't use an AV-GP drive in such an AV intensive product. They used a WD Blue notebook drive. Older model used a height that wouldn't fit in a modern laptop. Newer ones use slimmer notebook-fitting height drives.

    They also have a slingplayer built in, and the product is highly configurable, versatile, and quite the speed freak on everything but that ethernet port matter. It has been a year since I last bought one, so maybe newer ones run faster there.

    I highly doubt anybody will be disappointed by WD TV products (other than the slow gigabit ethernet matter, if you really need speed there.

    I'd be interested to hear from others who have the other WD TV products, and to know of anything that might have been changed over the last year (in the hardware, which firmware updates can't magically change the specs of).

    They also have HDMI v1.4 outputs, component, composite, and multiple audio options.
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Do the WD TV products handle ISOs?
     
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I think they do. I know I can rip a DVD to the standard DVD file system (same file names and structures as on a DVD) and they will play it.

    I'm tempted to say yes to ISO files, but can't recall for sure.

    I once mistakenly told you that they supported Amazon prime streaming, but they did not have that support at that time. It may have since been added.

    I'll get back to you after I see where they are at, at this point. So many updates go out, adding completely new features, along with the updates, it's hard to keep up.
     
  18. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    I would have thought the complete opposite because I doubt 1% of Tivo customers have a need to pull content from networked shares.
     
  19. jackief

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    I have a WD Live box I bought recently to connect to the slingbox which is connected to the tivo mini which is in another location. I can confirm no Amazon prime streaming. We use the WD box just for the sling app and the netflix app from our cottage. The sling app is g*d-awful slow, but sure beats needing to have cable or another solution to watch hi def. We are upgrading the router here so perhaps the interface would be better. In my research it was the best solution to get the sling onto the tv without having to go through a phone etc.
     
  20. bmgoodman

    bmgoodman Member

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    I just got a 3rd gen WD TV, which easily streams from my NAS. I also get slide shows with transitions and background music. Roamio lacks any of these skills. I don't plan to keep beating this dead horse. I will return to complaining about the lack of android streaming...
     

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