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Announcing: TiVo Stream! Now available

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoStephen, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Sep 8, 2012 #61 of 138
    Dpordy99

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    WOW! I totally misread this. So this only works in your home wifi network? Yeah I think I and everybody else is better off with the slingbox.

    My slingbox is actually perfect on my home network, it's when I'm in somewhere like a hotel is where it gets dropped connections and stutters on wifi. It doesn't work at all on the airplane wifi.
     
  2. Sep 8, 2012 #62 of 138
    Dpordy99

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    The more I read about this, the less I want this. So now you can't even transfer copy once shows to your portable device? This basically does the exact same thing as the free Cox cable app, so basically Tivo is catching up with services that other cable companies provide instead of being ahead of the game, the only difference is that many of those cable companies give you this for free whereas Tivo is charging you for it.

    And as far as transfering shows go. Probably 95% of the programming on my cox provider is copy protected. I hate to say this but your best bet is to buy a slingbox and then if you want to transfer something try downloading the show off the piratebay.
     
  3. Sep 8, 2012 #63 of 138
    dugbug

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    Well it's a dumb point. There is a difference between 5 year support and little to no updates. Everyone with a pulse acknowledges the advantage apple has with supported updates
     
  4. Sep 8, 2012 #64 of 138
    morac

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    Definitely. Apple is still updating the OS in a 3 year old phone (3GS) in a market with 2 year lifetimes, while some Android phones bought last year aren't getting updates.

    Case in point:

    2012 is still the year of Gingerbread


    It is somewhat comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended) though since it's up to carriers to push out updates to Android, while iOS is pushed out directly from Apple.

    In any case, it's likely the Stream app was originally coded for iOS for multiple reasons:
    1. The iPad is the tablet with the most users currently.
    2. The TiVo iOS app is currently more mature than the Android app so it's likely easier to update that first and then port over to Android.
     
  5. Sep 8, 2012 #65 of 138
    SullyND

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    It does irk me that my iPad which I bought just over a year and a half ago cannot be updated to the new OS.
     
  6. Sep 8, 2012 #66 of 138
    Dan203

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    You contradict yourself a bit here. Why would you buy a Slingbox if it doesn't work reliably when you're not at home? The main advantage of a Slingbox is it's ability to stream away from home.

    I have both and I can tell you that the TiVo Stream works better for home network streaming because there is no lag with the controls like there is with a Slingbox. So if the only advantage to a Slingbox is that it can stream outside the home, and that part doesn't work well, then why would someone want to choose a Slingbox over a Stream?

    As for the copy protection thing... It sucks, but TiVo has to play by the cable companies rules. In my area only the premium channels are copy protected so I can transfer almost anything. So for me it has lots of value.

    Dan
     
  7. Sep 8, 2012 #67 of 138
    nrc

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    My mistake, I thought the original comment was about TiVo. Yes, in general iOS devices are much more likely to get updates than Android devices. That's the benefit to deal with a relatively small number of high volume devices.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2012 #68 of 138
    jfh3

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    For all you developers out there, I just tried a new Tivo Stream. Its' initial MAC address is the same - 00:13:74:00:5c:38
     
  9. Sep 8, 2012 #69 of 138
    Dan203

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    Weird. I wonder why they would all have the same initial MAC? MAC addresses are suppose to be unique. Maybe TiVo uses some sort of MAC filtering on their servers and the devices have to spoof this MAC to gain access?

    Dan
     
  10. Sep 8, 2012 #70 of 138
    moyekj

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    What do mean by "initial" MAC? You should be able to see the MAC of the Stream by logging into your router and it should be unique.
     
  11. Sep 8, 2012 #71 of 138
    jfh3

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    It is unique after the initial set up of the Stream is complete. But a brand new one first iD's itself with what I called the pseudo MAC. See earlier in this thread for the poster that first noticed this.
     
  12. Sep 8, 2012 #72 of 138
    morac

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    More than likely it's simply that TiVo forgot to change the default MAC address (which contains a company ID), since the MAC address isn't sent out in TCP/IP packets and never makes its way out over the Internet. The MAC is only available locally (via ARP). The only thing the default MAC would tell you is whose parts/chips TiVo is using.
     
  13. Sep 8, 2012 #73 of 138
    jfh3

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    Yes, but your theory is far less interesting than the idea the pseudo MAC could somehow be used to gain control over the box. :D
     
  14. Sep 9, 2012 #74 of 138
    nrc

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    It's probably just the way the network chip works. It presents the chip manufacturer's MAC until the chip firmware is updated with the device manufacturer's MAC. TiVo could have done that in advance but it's not really necessary unless you expect to have multiple Streams going through setup plugged into the same switch at the same time.
     
  15. Sep 9, 2012 #75 of 138
    westside_guy

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    I think you are making some unwarranted assumptions regarding what this box does and doesn't do. Reading the small print at the bottom of the Tivo Stream page, it appears the Tivo Premieres are providing the actual streams - this box is essentially just forwarding them.

    If (and I say this seriously, not snarkily) you can point me to information showing that I am in error, I would appreciate it. But I don't believe the Tivo Stream box is doing any encoding at all.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2012 #76 of 138
    Aero 1

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    You are in error. TiVo records in native 1:1 mpeg 2 from the source, which can be many gigs in size. The iPad and iPhone can't accept or play mpg 2, they need to be .h264. The stream will transcode the mpeg2 to mp4, a native format to the idevice in a more manageable file size without quality loss. The premiere can't do any of this, the hardware is not capable.

    TiVo can record mpeg4, I believe only fios has 3 or 4 channels that are mpeg4 but the hundreds others are mpeg2, but TiVo can't convert them locally to mpeg4 in order for them to be streamed to the iPad.

    This brings up the question, anyone with fios record an mpeg4 channel and side load it to the iPad via the stream to so how fast it happens.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2012 #77 of 138
    westside_guy

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    Tivo Premieres have been able to stream to other Premieres since a software update that occurred earlier this year. It is unlikely this streaming is being done using MPEG-2.

    This streaming is different than the older MRV (multi-room viewing) functionality that's been available since the days of the Series 2. MRV transfers do move MPEG-2 files from one Tivo to another, and are a lot slower.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2012 #78 of 138
    Aero 1

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    why is it unlikey? premiere to premiere streaming is native. it doesnt transcode to anything. an mpeg2 file from one premiere is streamed as mpeg2 to the other. there is no .tivo decryption, mpeg2 transcoding, then immediate streaming.

    MRV is a 1 to 1 copy to another premiere, and i can achieve 80+ Mbps MRV.
     
  19. Sep 10, 2012 #79 of 138
    aaronwt

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    Yes and H.264 is streamed as H.264 from Premiere to Premiere as well. FiOS had eight H.264 channels in mid May and I think they have added a few more since then. But they are all Sports channels and Spanish channels. I recorded some of the Baseball H.264 channels when they had a free weekend as a test.
     
  20. Sep 10, 2012 #80 of 138
    Dan203

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    Premiere to Premiere streaming is always native because the playback device (i.e. the other Premiere) is always capable of playing the source stream. However the iPad can not play MPEG-2 at all and actually has limits on various aspects of the H.264 encoding so I'm betting that the Stream is used to recode shows even if the source is already H.264. It's just safer, and a lot less complicated, that way. Plus no one would ever really notice the quality difference anyway and it allows TiVo to always control the bitrate of the video so that all shows are consistent in size and bandwidth requirements.

    Trust me I deal with native H.264 streams ALL THE TIME and they are all over the board when it comes to the encoding parameters they use and the vast majority of them will not play on an iPad without recoding.

    Dan
     

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