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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by buscuitboy, Mar 13, 2013.
With every new HD TiVo the price has gone down and continues to go down. In 2004 my first HD TiVo was $1k plus I think a $5 a month fee.
Then in 2006 the S3 was $800 but lifetime wasn't offered so you had to get monthly service.
Then in 2007 the TiVoHD came out for even less and I think lifetime was back at $299 for the MSD price.
In 2010 the premiere came out and I was able to get them with lifetime service for a little over $500.
In 2011 a four tuner version came out, with MSD lifetime it was under $900, which again was cheaper than two of the two tuner Premieres with lifetime.
Now the Mini is out and the price is only $250 which gives you access to all the TiVo recordings from TiVos on the network.
So later this year when the six tuner box is released, I expect the box with lifetime will save even more money, when you price it per tuner.
Wait!? Are you saying that you don't need a 4 tuner just to set the damn thing up? That's different than others have reported.
No, you need the TP-4 (or TPXL-4) to use and set up a Mini but after that the Mini will stream from any Series 4 TiVo 2 tuner, 4 tuner any Series 4 model. Another question people are asking is if you purchase a TP-4, set up your Mini than return your TP-4 will the Mini still work with the remaining TP-2 units, I don't know the answer to that, and until somebody tries that and it works for a month or so we will not know that answer.
Ok, thanks. was thinking that Tivo had not gone as far off their rocker as I had thought when you posted that. But I guess they still want to alienate the folks that only have 2 tuner boxes.
An alternative to a Mini that I have not seen mentioned - a Premiere w/o a CableCARD. If you want to watch something "live" that is not available OTA or via clear QAM, simply start recording it on a CableCARDed Premiere (kmttg or the TiVo app is good for this) and stream the recording. Makes it difficult to channel surf but you also don't have to dedicate a tuner.
That's more expensive then a Mini though. Even a clearence TiVo Premiere is $100 + $13/mo or $400/lifetime. A Mini is only $100 + $6/mo or $150/lifetime.
For most people with cable the Mini makes better economic sense. The only people who should be looking at multiple Premieres are those that need OTA or analog, or those that need more then 4 tuners.
+ the price of acquiring a 4-tuner TiVo. Directly comparing the cost of a Premiere to the Mini ignores all of the other factors.
Or someone who doesn't already have a TP 4 or XL4. Or wants the option of using it as full TiVo in the future.
BTW, I was mainly pointing that you do not have to install a CableCARD in a 2-tuner Premiere and thus incur the associated cost.
Or OTA, so you'd get some more tuners out of it. That actually is a good idea in addition to a 4 or XL4 and some Minis, so that you can set some of your network recording up on it to save tuners on the cable-connected TiVo, and with some cable companies that re-compress, better quality.
This may seem like a good idea but we have had that from TiVo when TiVo started MRS, at any time you could have purchased a 746 used TP for about $50, spent $400 for lifetime, not put a cable card in the unit and for $450 you have a somewhat Mini, it is bigger, used 20 watts more power, can't set up another TiVo for recording as the Mini can, and cost $200 more. OH and did I mention that you would have to hard wire Ethernet cable to each TP or purchase a MaCo unit for each TiVo, that would cost another $150 if you have two TPs already.
If you want to add another TV viewing place in your home IMHO the Mini is the way to go IF you have one or more four tuner TiVos. (MoCa is built in)
I'm just saying it would be good to have one location with a full blown TP, as you have two more tuners and it could serve as a backup if the cable is not working.
No Dan, those that need more than 3 tuners. An XL4 with a mini is a 3 tuner plus mini live TV solution.
AND if you can afford to turn that 4 tuner box to a 3 tuner box. As we've discussed to death, you either have to never have live TV at the mini location, or the 4 tuner box is permanently a 3 tuner box.
3 Tivo Premieres with lifetime service = 550 x 3 = 1650
Only if you buy them new from TiVo.
So, now the argument is that Tivo is less expensive in the long run because you just don't buy new equipment? Really?
Unless you just want to pay $550 you can get a better deal by just waiting for a special offer or even by buying from a retailer that is running a special. $500 with lifetime is common and we have seen $450 now and then.
Why do some people insist on turning every thread like this one into an argument rather than a discussion of the various options - pros and cons of each one? Let people weigh the various options and make their own decision rather than trying to validate your decision by proselytizing.
Whatever the cost of each option is one factor in the decision. Have you never heard of a cost/benefit analysis?
That makes me laugh a little. You actually just asked if I've heard of a cost benefit analysis while we're discussing which costs are accurate and which are not in - a cost benefit analysis. There is nobody here who has said cost is the only driver. There are people here who have insisted that Tivo is always cheaper.
I should have read the entire you responded to rather than just the part you quoted. Mea Culpa. However, I was just pointing out that you do not have to buy buy new nor do you have to buy from TiVo. And as atmuscarella pointed out, you can usually get a discount at some point even if you buy from TiVo, although that also applies to the TP4 or XL4.
If this post doesn't qualify, it comes awfully close.
I must've missed those posts.