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America's Got Talent Season 7 Discussion (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by KungFuCow, May 15, 2012.

  1. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    Or the rigging drops slightly, or his movement removes enough weight from the system, or someone pushes up on him...

    It's simply much safer to have someone else control the release.
     
  2. jamesbobo

    jamesbobo with a grain of salt

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    I've seen a few episodes since I listen to Howard and most of the shows I usually watch are done for the season.
    There is one time I could not agree with Howard's decision. The dancer from Paterson, NJ that had the crowd roaring and was certainly talented was given a no vote by Howard because "as good as he is, he cannot fill a stadium." But if someone who dances like that can't fill a stadium, then no dancer could fill a stadium.
    Besides, it's America's Got Talent, not Americans Who Can Fill A Stadium.
    And if filling a stadium is your yardstick, why would Howard give a yes vote to the guy who sang "Watcha Gonna Do?"? As catchy as that song was, I don't think it will fill a stadium.
     
  3. tiams

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    This show has two main flaws. The first is that it is not clear what they are looking for. Should the winning act be able to fill arenas? Sell out shows in Vegas 4 nights a week? Or just be an amazing talent?

    The second flaw is that once we have seen the auditions we have seen the acts once, so why do we want to see them again?
     
  4. morac

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the episodes during last season two hours long each? With half the time, it's no wonder they're skipping everything.
     
  5. LoadStar

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    Well, they have different goals depending on at which stage of the competition they're at. At the audition stage, the judges are almost exclusively interested in weeding out the utter crap from the acts that are remotely interesting.

    (Of course, the reality is that the producers have already weeded out the mediocre stuff. The stuff that the judges see is generally going to be really good, or pretty bad. There won't be too many genuine judgement calls from the judges.)

    Once they hit Vegas, however, is when the goal changes to acts that are worth $1m dollars *and* which people might be interested in seeing as a headline act on the Vegas strip.

    The audition isn't the act... it's just a 1 minute sample. At later stages, they do more and different parts of the act.
     
  6. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    Interesting... a quick check of Wikipedia indicates that a clogging group out of Myrtle Beach, SC named "All That" came in second during season 1. This show allows repeat acts, particularly an act that made it all the way to the finale?

    Here's their audition from 2006:
     
  7. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Regarding the escape artist, I also think the trap was rigged with a counterbalance system. I don't think I would want my safety in someone else's hands. What if there was a malfunction in the system that the other person is controlling?

    And whoever said the rope was a decoy is spot on.
    It is dual purpose - it is rigged to give the illusion that that is the only mechanism holding the trap open (and in fact it is, until the weight of the performer is applied and the counter balance system takes over) and once lit on fire it gives the presence of danger.

    After going back and watching, it's obvious to me that the trap had to be held open with some sort of counter balance system. As he is thrashing around trying to get out of the straight jacket you can see the rope lose tension, especially when he reaches up for the first time.
     
  8. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    I'm wondering if you're not understanding what Fish Man and I are suggesting. The jaws are (essentially) being held open by the weight pulling down on the shackles. The only way for the jaws to close completely would be for the weight to be *completely* removed from the shackles. (Put another way, the position of the jaws are inversely related to the position of the shackles in the center.)

    It's possible that as he reached up, he released a safety for the spring-loaded trigger. Once he did that, all he'd have to do is release his weight from the shackles, which would cause the jaws to close.
     
  9. bareyb

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    I told my wife those Cloggers had been on before... It is kinda weird they allow the same acts... Huh. :confused:
     
  10. nataylor

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    I get what you're saying. But there's no motion in the foot holds when the cage releases, as there would have to be if it was directly counterbalancing the wings.
     
  11. tiams

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    If the trap is held open by his weight counterbalancing it, then what is keeping it open before he gets in it?
    I think he does something to release it himself when he reaches up to his feet.
     
  12. inaka

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    Big Howard fan here, but I feel embarrassed watching this show....it's pretty horrible.
    This season pass is on life support at my place....
     
  13. getreal

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    So, what happened to "All That" in 2006 that got them eliminated? I would imagine that it was just more of the same in Vegas and not different enough to sustain their carrying through to Hollywood, right? If so, I don't see anything different from 6 years ago until today, so they will probably be gone again after Vegas.
     
  14. Einselen

    Einselen ɹǝsn pǝɹǝʇsıƃǝɹ

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    They lost to the little girl who was a singer. They had a pretty good run if you ask me!

    That is crazy that they were allowed to come back again.
     
  15. Fish Man

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    Here's my clarification of how I think it works (pretty close to what you say):

    • Upon getting on the thing, either his weight being applied to the bar he was hanging from "arms" the release mechanism, or he stealthily "arms" it as he's climbing on, that is, removes a safety.
    • Then, his weight being removed completely from the bar releases the mechanism and the jaws close.

    I agree with nataylor's observation that the bar he was hanging from did not move noticeably. That's why I think it's a "latch" as opposed to a pure counterbalance. It would be easy to design such a latch so that a couple of ounces on the bar would hold it locked and the jaws could not release. That way, no possible amount of moving or wiggling could trip it accidentally.

    Furthermore, it would be possible to design such a mechanism that the movement of the bar would be no more than a quarter inch or so, which explains why it didn't move noticeably. You'd never see a quarter inch from the audience or on TV.

    Also, having his weight coming off the bar being the means of release makes it look like he escaped "in the nick of time" every time!

    I could not possibly disagree more that it's "more safe" to have a person off stage release it. That person could be a doofus. They could sneeze. An evil person could grab the control from them. They could inadvertently "anticipate" his escape and release it too early. All kinds of stuff could go wrong relying on a third party to time the release so precisely!

    My way is passive, and essentially fail-safe. It's far far safer to have the thing that releases it be his actually being off the "trap"!
     
  16. LoadStar

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    They didn't get eliminated. They made it all the way to the final episode, and came in second, which makes all the more baffling that the show lets them come back again.
     
  17. bareyb

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    I wonder if they will reveal that fact on the show? I can't imagine we are the only people who picked up on this... it's very strange. This is like having Clay Aiken on American Idol again. :p
     
  18. busyba

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    No weirder than having him on the first time. :p
     
  19. markz

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    I totally agree with this. I figured during the show that him jumping down somehow releases it. I hadn't thought about the trap closing being what breaks the rope, but that makes a lot of sense.
     
  20. steve614

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    Of course I'm only speculating. ;)
     

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