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America's Got Talent Season 7 Discussion (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by KungFuCow, May 15, 2012.

  1. jdfs

    jdfs Unspecial Member

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    Looks like they changed things and the second show was st. Louis although episode info says otherwise. What they showed in Tampa didn't look that great.
     
  2. Einselen

    Einselen ɹǝsn pǝɹǝʇsıƃǝɹ

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    Tampa wasn't spectacular, but they had a lot more footage I thought was going to make it. Then again I believe Vegas has been filmed already so I am sure they are setting things up. From my show (and they did air last night) All That was one of the top acts. There were also a few singing acts that I thought were decent and I would give another shot.

    Oh and I was shown on TV, you can see me as Howard left the table to help tie up the "escape artist". Howard also was HORRIBLE at that skill, but Nick Canon did have a great one liner which I was shocked </sarcasm> didn't make it to air.
     
  3. gossamer88

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    Da boogie...
    The last segment with the Rick James number and Nick and announcer guy dancing had me ROTFLMAO!
     
  4. 2004raptor

    2004raptor time to emancipate

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    Saw part of it last night. I wonder how close the escape artist was to really getting chomped down on? The way they edited it it must have not been as close as they imply.
     
  5. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I think Little Ozzy would have also been a good Little Meat Loaf.
     
  6. Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

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    Notice how the rope was slack the whole time? It was obvious that it wasn't under tension, and wasn't what was holding the trap open.

    The burning rope had nothing to do with the trap closing.

    It looks to me like the actual mechanism that released the trap was his weight coming off the trap. So, the instant he frees himself and jumps down, the trap closes. So, no matter how long it takes him to free himself, the trap closes the instant he jumps down.

    The rope has a deliberate "weak spot" under one of those marshmallow looking things that were along it, and it's actually the trap closing that breaks the rope, rather than the rope breaking that closes the trap. The rope was probably soaked in alcohol or lamp oil or similar flammable liquid, so the flammable liquid was being consumed, and the rope itself wasn't really burning that much. This way, the rope stays intact until the trap closing actually breaks it.

    That's my assessment, anyway. He really did escape from the straight jacket, but he wasn't in any danger of being "chomped" if he didn't escape in a certain amount of time.
     
  7. 2004raptor

    2004raptor time to emancipate

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    I didn't notice the "slack" but I've deleted the episode now. If you're right and it was his weight that released the trap, why wouldn't they get it with one camera shot? That would look better but instead you could tell when the guy fell and then the next angle was the trap closing and the audience gasping wasn't one after another.

    Not saying you are wrong just that they should have done a better job at convincing people a bit more that he was in danger.
     
  8. Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

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    That his weight coming off the trap was the mechanism that released it is a guess on my part. There could have been some other means by which it was covertly released.

    However, I'm 5000% positive that the release mechanism was not the rope burning through, primarily because the rope was distinctly slack through the entire stunt.
     
  9. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    Burning rope is never the release mechanism. It's too unpredictable. If you see a burning rope, it's a gimmick. His weight being the release is also unlikely, for safety reasons.

    Remember, "escape artist" is just a specialized form of stage magic. He's never in much danger. I won't say no danger, because obviously there is the chance for things to go wrong, there is a lot of skill involved, and he depends on actions and good sense of other people. But his chances of getting injured or killed are probably a lot lower than many of the acts we see on the show. ;)
     
  10. That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

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    It looks like he reaches up to where his feet are, presumably to release his feet from the device. At first, I thought he was stalling for time until the trap sprung, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is really pulling some lever that causes the trap to spring.
     
  11. Donbadabon

    Donbadabon Geocacher TCF Club

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    Puppeteer -horrible

    Howard does his fake vote again, where he pretends to change his mind. We get it. Enough already.

    Drummer woman - horrible

    Woman breaking cans - horrible

    Up to first break already. All horrible.


    Little Michael Jackson kid - He is cute.


    Another break already. Thank God for TiVo!


    Escape artist - obviously it is setup to snap shut when he releases his feet. Nothing really new here to me.


    Irish dancers - the 5 year old was cute, but we've see it before.


    Hip hop violin - yawn.


    Nerd guitarist - ehh. He could sing I guess. Nothing special


    Break. Like they brought back the snapple chat.


    Little Ozzy - lol. So stupid.


    Omg, another break after that 1 act.


    They are skipping all the acts going to Vegas, just showing a 2 second clip of each of them.


    Glass walker - Candy pants! Lol. Ewww. Eyelids. I can't watch.


    Voice over guy - he is stupid. You gotta have things to say, you can't just pretend you are a movie guy. But he is silly.


    Another break. How can anyone watch this show live??


    Rick James - wtf? Waste of time. But lmao at the backup dancing. The sexual chocolates.
     
  12. bryhamm

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    It looked like his hands went to a special part of the bar. I am guessing that he squeezed something somehow ... kind of like your level pulling indicated.
     
  13. nataylor

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    The release is probably operated off-stage, likely by the same person who operates the release for the rope.

    You can see that he actually had a bit of a malfunction, which is probably why they did the choppy edits there. The rope got released first (it's already in two pieces, held together by some mechanism). You can see in one quick cut the rope just drops and goes limp without the cage "wings" falling. Then it cuts to him hitting the mat and another cut to the cage closing. Whoever was operating the mechanism for the rope release hit it early, before the release for cage was activated.
     
  14. Fish Man

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    I'm really don't think so.

    It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that they'd design the mechanism in such a way that separate controls break the rope and "spring" the trap. That would be insane. Surely the same action (whether it's something he triggers himself or something someone off-stage triggers) both cause the rope to break and the trap to spring. The simplest way would be for the trap closing, itself, to snap the rope at a deliberately designed weak point. (What was with all the "marshmallow" looking things along the rope anyway? My guess: They were hiding thread-thin "links" where the rope was designed to break when the trap was sprung.)

    I'm fully in agreement with everyone here (in fact, I was the first to bring it up) that the rope is absolutely not what's holding the trap open. But it would be mechanically simpler to design the "trick trap" such that one simple motion both closes the trap and breaks the rope.

    Not only would it be more complicated to have separate controls that break the rope and close the trap, it would open the door to screw-ups where they're not triggered simultaneously.

    If you really did see the rope "break early" perhaps it really did burn through, due to his taking way to long to escape from the straight jacket!
     
  15. Fish Man

    Fish Man Phish Food

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    But not particularly talented, even for age 6. "Cute" isn't a winning act. Better to have cut him loose now (like they did with the kid who rapped about "commas and zeros" a couple of shows back who didn't even really have "cute" going for him) rather than give him false hope and prolong the agony.

    This suggests to me that the ones we saw two second of each were even lamer than the rather lame acts they showed us all of.

    It seems they're sending a lot of lameo-crap acts through to Vegas. In fact, this may be, overall, the weakest season of AGT ever.

    Maybe they really need Piers as the ruthless voice of reason as to what has the potential to win and carry an actual Vegas show vs. what may be amusing for one 90 second blip.

    Sad. Piers is sucking profusely as Larry King's replacement. It seems they needed him here... :(
     
  16. pmyers

    pmyers Well-Known Member

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    totally agree with your assesment. His feet/weight releasing, trigger the rope and trap.
     
  17. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    Whether it's a separate trigger for the rope or not is questionable. But either way, there is a mechanism that holds the rope together. If it was a separate trigger, whoever triggers it did so early. If it's not a separate trigger, then the mechanism malfunctioned and released early.

    The rope certainly didn't burn through. He probably reuses that rope over and over again. :)
     
  18. nataylor

    nataylor Curiously Strong TCF Club

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    From a safety standpoint, it's certainly not his weight that acts as the release. The whole apparatus was moving around quite a bit, and there's the potential for it to release early if that's the case. It's possible he hits some release as he goes up to free his feet, but again, there's the potential for it to release early while his feet are caught. The safest thing would be for someone else to trigger the release once they are sure he's clear of the cage.
     
  19. LoadStar

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    I'm betting you are 100% accurate. This seems the safest (and, conveniently, the easiest) way to stage this sort of illusion. By making the closing of the trap tied to himself as a counterweight, it will accurately and repeatedly close at exactly the right time, right as he falls out of harm's way.

    The only risk that I could see is if the rope somehow burns through before he frees himself. The audience would then be able to tell it's just an illusion, that the rope is just a decoy, because the trap wouldn't close, but he'd be fine.
     
  20. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    If it's simply a counterweight system, where pulling down on the middle part opens the trap, and releasing it closes it, there shouldn't be any way that the trap could close prematurely... the only way it would close is if the counterweight is completely removed from the system (i.e. he falls out to safety).
     

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