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America's Got Talent Season 7 Discussion (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by KungFuCow, May 15, 2012.

  1. Jun 6, 2012 #221 of 557
    inaka

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    Yup. The "Mind Reader" trick reminded me of this clip, where James Randi exposed how a faith healer did essentially the exact same thing as this "mind reader":



    @ the 2:33 mark, James Randi uses a radio scanner to fully expose how this faith healer scammed his audience, with the radio transmitter and partner (his wife.)

    Yup, same "trick".
     
  2. Jun 6, 2012 #222 of 557
    nataylor

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    Of course there are ways of doing that without "cheating." Like when David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear. The audience wasn't in on that. It's just that when he moved the camera, he moved the audience along with it. ;)
     
  3. Jun 6, 2012 #223 of 557
    nataylor

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    Not sure how much of that AGTNews report I believe. The guy is 35. Their story says his ex wife caught him cheating on her in 1991. He would have been 13 or 14 in 1991. And she says "The whole time I have known him, I have never known him to be enrolled in any college. There is a possibility he may have an associates degree from before I met him. On his Facebook page he says he has a Masters degree in project management.” Why would she even think a 13 or 14 year old would have an associates degree?
     
  4. Jun 6, 2012 #224 of 557
    inaka

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    Maybe he lied about his age too, and he's really 42?

    "Everybody lies"
    -Gregory House, M.D.
     
  5. Jun 6, 2012 #225 of 557
    WhiskeyTango

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess 1991 is a typo. 2001 makes more sense.
     
  6. Jun 6, 2012 #226 of 557
    nataylor

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    After rewatching the mind-reading trick, I think I've come up with something that doesn't require an assistant.

    The coins actually hold the blindfold and tape off his eyes. This leaves a little bit of a gap towards the bottom of the nose. You can see what I'm talking about in this screen cap:

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    While he has Nick place the drawings face down, it sure is convenient that he gave them paper and a thick pen that bled through the paper. He also makes sure to have them draw something "big and bold," helping ensure the image is viewable from the reverse side of the paper.
     
  7. Jun 6, 2012 #227 of 557
    inaka

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    No way. It's gotta be a wireless transmitter.

    The reason it's "big and bold" is probably because his partner assisting him in the trick had to view it from really bad seats and was farther away than normal.
     
  8. Jun 6, 2012 #228 of 557
    nataylor

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    There's a huge gap right there by his nose. It would be simple to see out of. The other thing is that he applies the last bit of tape himself, allowing for adjustment as needed so he can make sure he has at least a sliver to look through.
     
  9. Jun 6, 2012 #229 of 557
    inaka

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    Still leaves WAY too much for chance.
    The pictures were folded and then unfolded above his head.
    Plus, he had so much detail about each image. Giving the trick more fun by slowly revealing more details, etc.

    He's doing this because it takes time for the partner to describe the image to him with detail.

    Lastly, in any trick, it's about diverting attention AWAY from where people are looking. A trick like that relying on his actual eyes is where everyone will be looking. That's why he can slip in the ear piece undetected when he's doing the duct tape schtick.

    A radio transmitter in the ear solves all of that and leaves nothing to chance besides maybe a battery/transmitter failure. But that's not happening if he's a pro.
     
  10. Jun 6, 2012 #230 of 557
    nataylor

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    If he's a pro, he's practiced applying the tape and blindfold a thousand times before he even did it in public. And while he's describing one, he has plenty of time to look at the next one.
     
  11. Jun 6, 2012 #231 of 557
    nataylor

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    And while the pictures were folded when Nick handed them to him, he quickly unfolded them:

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    Also, when he's applying the tape, you can see he's pushing the blindfold up his head, giving more of a gap at the bottom.
     
  12. Jun 6, 2012 #232 of 557
    inaka

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    Just assuming he can see out of the bottom, doesn't mean he can always see the art.
    Again, you're then relying on someone not part of the trick to possibly ruin it if the keep the folded art behind their backs and/or reveal it in a way you can't see.

    The Howie pic alone takes a few seconds to really grasp what it is. It could be a stick figure holding a kite unless you look really closely.

    Wireless transmitter with a partner is the answer.
    It's so obvious.
     
  13. Jun 6, 2012 #233 of 557
    tiams

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    The half dollars are an important part of the trick because when I have seen it done they were used then also.
     
  14. Jun 6, 2012 #234 of 557
    inaka

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    If he didn't have a earpiece receiver, I would expect him to say something like, "Nick, please feel free to check my ears to show I'm not using any listening device, etc." as part of the trick.

    Then again, it's possible he said that an AGT edited it out, etc., but that seems unlikely as it would make the trick stronger.

    Just sayin...
     
  15. Jun 6, 2012 #235 of 557
    nataylor

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    He tells Nick to set the pictures face down in his hand. After then, he's in control of them.


    He had at least a few seconds to look at it. Brains are great at pattern recognition. And his instructions beforehand make sure they draw something relatively simple.

    While magicians don't mind using stooges when necessary, I'm sure they prefer to find a way that doesn't require them. If it really was a wireless transmitter, he could have done a lot more to make sure he couldn't see or even interact with the drawings, which would provide even more credibility to the trick.
     
  16. Jun 6, 2012 #236 of 557
    Donbadabon

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    I was convinced too that he used an earpiece.

    But then I came across this page:

    http://crisjohnsontricktalk.blogspot.com/2010/01/john-archers-blindfold-tips-vs.html

    For those that can't click links, it talks about an instructional DVD that tells you how to do the trick. From reading this, it is a solo trick, so he must be able to see out of the blindfold:


     
  17. Jun 6, 2012 #237 of 557
    busyba

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    For what it's worth, I remember seeing Penn and Teller live about 20 years ago when part of their show was revealing some of the older illusions, and I recall that they mentioned that in tricks involving blindfolds, it's practically impossible for you to be rendered completely unable to see out the bottom.

    Having now recalled that, I'm more inclined to think the trick is simply that he could see the drawings as he held the papers by his stomach, although I think the earpiece approach is also plausible.
     
  18. Jun 6, 2012 #238 of 557
    inaka

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    Very true, and I didn't really pick up on this.
    Your screen grab is a good one.


    All very good points.
    Very possible then I too I guess.

    Good link, thanks. I really was convinced too that he used an earpiece too, with my mind instantly going to that preacher clip I posted earlier.

    You guys have swayed me a bit on this.
    I was dead set on earpiece.
     
  19. Jun 6, 2012 #239 of 557
    WhiskeyTango

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    Stern mentioned on his show something about the producers mentioning that he did the trick alone in a room with them so that would rule out a stooge in the audience helping him.
     
  20. Jun 7, 2012 #240 of 557
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